Why skip Galarraga?

According to Leyland, it came down to having off days the next two Mondays. Because of that, Justin Verlander was scheduled to start Wednesday at Kansas City with an extra day of rest, then would’ve had another extra day of rest before his next start. The decision was that it’s best to keep Verlander on his normal routine.

“We need to get Verlander going,” said Leyland, who added that Verlander feels fine.

This decision seemingly backs up the idea of Verlander’s shoulder being fine. If he was hurting, or even a little more sore, it would be hard to imagine him turning down an extra day of rest for two turns.

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I have admitted that I tend to complain. My complaints are not based on a stand alone won/loss assessment. They are based on the current dynamics of the squad. They won yesterday’s game but were fortunate to do so. They might win a number of their next few games but that won’t alter my opinion of what I see as concerns. Leyland’s stubborness, Sheffield’s shoulder, Robertson’s inability to get LHB out and “the one bad inning”, Jones’ not being able to be firmly counted to stem the tide, the overlooking of Marcus Thames are ongoing problems that exist whether they win or lose individual games. If most of these problems continue then the bottom line (the thing I am most concerned about) will be disappointing.
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Bit of a surprising lineup in that JL usually considers separating his LHB more. Today’s lineup has them all bunched up with the 2 pure LHB sandwiched by the 2 switch hitters.
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I’d swap Joyce and Santiago to get a better bat handler in the 2 hole. For that matter, I wouldn’t be playing Joyce at all in this game. I don’t see any lefties in their pen, so you can’t situationally PH Thames or Raburn for him. I’d prefer a RH bat who can hit.
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–Rich

1st inning Blues again. Not sure why on earth Jeter gets a fastball with 2 strikes like that.
Gonna be a ong one for Jeremy with all these LHB

Oh Man–now the walk and the sigh and the look to the heavens. He may be done already.

Disturbing. Bonderman looks good for 7 or 8 pitchers, gives up a HR on a bad pitch, then totally loses composure. Our top 2 starters have no mental toughness right now. It is painful to watch Bonderman’s body language as he looks like a lost little boy out there on the mound.
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He was saved by Ramon on that hard hit shot by Cano–we got a break.

See there? Matt Joyce. Shows what I know. :-)
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See you guys after the game.
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–Rich

Renteria is really struggling right now. Sheffield is at best, an interesting individual, I just don’t see him pulling out of it. I don’t see this as a slump, I see this is a farewell as he is after all, 40 and dealing with physical impairments. The quicker they realize this the better. We have too much talent sitting around to agonize over what should be. he is striking out more, popping out more, dribbling out more and producing less. Is he fun to watch? Yes, that swing of his is vilent, aggressive and baseball art. Do we keep hoping and dreaming? Yes, if you are Jim Leyland.
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Pivotal inning for Bonderman. Difficult part of the lineup to deal with. An easy 1-2-3 inning would bode very wll for us.

Two good things so far today. One is that Guillen and Cabrera seem to be clicking together today. And it sure is about time. The other good thing is the Fox Announcers (which I normally hate), have been very pleasant today. Normally they have nothing good to say about the Tigers. Today so far they have had all good things to say.

well, Bonderman is certainly getting hit hard. He has had some good plays behind him. We’re lucky to be this close. Bonderman needs to buck up. he just falls apart dramatically when things go awry. This is what is keeping him from being a Tier 1 pitcher.

One more good thing is that our pitchers do seem to be doing better at fielding a ball when they need to. Maybe this next inning for us will be a big one!

Cabrera needs to start pulling the ball. He will be easy fodder in Comerica if he doesn’t adapt and learn to take advantage of what the park offers. It is not an easy task to become a power htter here but it is virtually impossible if you continously stroke the ball to CF.

Mental toughness. Not there. Equally troubling is Bobby Seay lately. he used to be a surefire to get the LHB out, now it’s a dice toss.
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Still some time time in this game to recover but looking rather unlikely.
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Bonderman was bad–very bad. just seems to unravel and that is the point I make about mental toughness. You have to have the kind of mentality that if men get on you get toughr. Remember Jim Bunning? Frank Lary? Hank Aguirre?
That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

How it goes. Curtis hitting the ball well tonight but nothing to show for it. Slumps—they will toy with your mind!

Boy it is going to be pretty hard on all of us if we don’t get the starting pitching AND the long ball. Those are two element s of the game that we all thought would be there.
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Guillen’s power has evaporated. Ordonez has 1 HR with at least 1 runner on. Cabrera has dried up. Sheffield is tied with Polanco. It ain’t pretty.

That is gross. Poor aBs in key situations by Renteria and pudge. This is why I am not a Pudge fan. Does not get the really big hits but hits when it is easier.

Renteria at least had the right idea. Pudge wa brutal. Swinging at ball 4 was predictable because he has it in his head he is going to get the big hit. Unfortunately, what is in his head and what is in his bat are two very different things.
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Sheffield gets another timely (for him) hit. Now up to 8 RBIs and this should buy him another week in the lineup.

If they lose this one you can take it all the way back to the 1st inning. It set the tone for the game.
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I’m gonna just shut up about Sheffield. He will prove my point without me harping on it.
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That said, I hope he comes up in the 9th and gives us a 3 run HR. Lord knows, we could use one and it is getting worrigsome that we have had 1 HR in the last week–s solo shot by a rookie. Even Leyland knows this team has to hit the long ball.

Oh where or where are our starting pitchers. They just don’t show up most of the time. And when they do, often they are not getting any run support. They just don’t really seem to be in sync at all. This whole team I mean. It has been very frustrating. OBVIOUSLY.

Yep, Bonderman got a well deserved loss today. His first inning jitters and all the walks he gives up are a big nusance to this team. We need a miracle to drop some decent starting pitchers down on us, because what we have isn’t working.
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How depressing!!!!!!!!!!

Back to the original entry:
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WHY SKIP GALARRAGA?

BORING! This team is like watching paint dry. Actually, I think watching paint dry is more exciting. Suffice to say this is the most underachieving team in the Majors so far this season. We can’t beat any team’s ace pitchers and we have a hard time beating the 4th or 5th guy. I know the season isn’t a sprint, it’s more like a marathon. I just don’t see anything to get optimistic about. Guys like Meche (KC), Baker(TWINS), and the Rasner (YANKS) have handled us with relative ease. It’s downright frustrating. I have a suggestion for all Tiger fans that have Mothers. Don’t turn on the game tomorrow. Spend some time with your Moms or if you can’t do that give her a call and wish her Happy Mother’s Day. I guarantee that will be time more well spent.

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Seriously, I’m not sure there are any true Tiger fans out there. What a bunch of whiners. It is what it is, deal with it. You guys are some serious haters. I know it gets frustrating but either stand by your team or move on. There are still a lot of games to be played you need to hang in there and come October if they aren’t in the playoffs then you look toward next year. As far as Ohiotigerfan, maybe you should move on to the Reds or the Indians, I am going to the game tomorrow with my daughter, this is how I wanted to spend my Mother’s day and I’m looking forward to it. I’m hoping for a win of course but if they lose, I will be disappointed but then I will look forward to the next one. Go Tigers and Happy Mother’s Day to all of you baseball fan moms.

Fattazzy, please don’t paint us all with the same brush.
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I got a big laugh out of the FOX team today, Ken Rosenthall especially. Saying we need Barry Bonds. Are you kidding? Hey Ken, can Barry Bonds PITCH for us??? What a rube. Some of these media guys are desperate to have Bonds back just so they can kick him around, and they end up starting this nonsense. Now I suppose there will be a great hue and cry to sign Bonds to save the Tigers. Jeez……
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We’ve been very weak in the starting pitching department, which is to state the obvious. These game totals of about five runs allowed don’t appear too bad on the face of it, but it’s the starter giving up nearly all these runs in the first five innings so we’re always playing from behind.
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On the other hand, it would help if our own offense would score earlier than they have been doing. It was 3-1 going into the fifth today, I think. It would have made a huge difference if our hitters had pushed across 3 themselves by that point. This all goes under the heading of JL’s “out of sync” mantra. We usually only get wins with early runs.
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It’s possible the damage has already been done when managment decided to stand mostly pat with the starting rotation. I know that I, and I’d guess many of you, were somewhat skeptical of that. I’d like to think that professional baseball management would know more than we fans do, so hopefully this gets turned around. Just seems to me we’ve traded away some pitchers we could use about now.
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It was easier back in the day. In 1968, Mickey Lolich was stinking up the joint, so Mayo Smith yanked him from the rotation in favor of John Hiller and Pat Dobson. Then Joe Sparma started to go bad and Mayo began bringing in Lolich to spell him. So Lolich gets on the roll that ended up with the three WS wins. But that was then, you can’t do that with today’s pitchers, for whatever reason.
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Well, let’s finish this Yankee series and move on to see what we can do with KC and other clubs. Interleague play is coming up.
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–Rich

finally someone says something about all the whiners, THANK YOU. Especially all the Sheffield complaining. Its too long a season to hear it everyday.

I’m excited to see how our series agains the DBacks goes…#1 team in baseball right now is sure to give us a run for our money, so hopefully the Tigers’ true colors will come out this coming week and bring some fierce competition to AZ.
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I’m assuming most of you saw the games at Yankee Stadium…maybe we need someone to bring a large frying pan and bang on it at the games for some good luck, haha :)

Fattazy – welcome to the board, however if you think that anyone here is not a true Tigers fan than you have not really been paying attention. Does it get a little whiney, well maybe sometimes, but maybe that is just because some of us pay a little more attention than others. Maybe we are frustrated because, and I think that I speak for most of the regulars on this blog, we watch every single game, and living in the area I have committed thousands of dollars to this team this year alone, in season tickets, parking, food and drink at the stadium not to mention all of the sweatshirts, t-shirts and hats, that I have bought for us or as gifts. So please don’t tell me I don’t have a right to be frustrated at a team that is clearly underperforming.
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I like you will be at the game today, (the third one this week) in the cold and the rain. I will again, pay $20 for parking, and who knows what else. (certianly not beer today, too cold for me). And I will certianly watch every single game either live or on tivo for the rest of the year.
I like the guys on the team, there is not one that I would get ride of, or give up on, I do not boo our guys, even when they blow up, or don’t get that big hit. But here I can come and vent and there are other people here who watch every game and I can comiserate with.
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Again welcome to the board, hope this isn’t a one time visit.
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GO TIGERS, GO WINGS, GO PISTONS

Sorry if I was too hard on you guys, I understand you get frustrated. I’m sitting here in Kalamazoo wondering if I should spend the $60 in gas, $20 in parking and the 4 hour roundtrip driving time to go sit in the rain and cold. My biggest fear is I will do that and they will call the game. I was given these tickets by a friend of mine who is a season ticket holder, they are right behind home plate plus I’ve never seen the Yankee’s in person. What to do, what to do. Go Tigers :)

Fantazzy – hard to say if the game is going to be played or not. I assume that if you are coming from KZ you probably have to leave real soon. I am going to go on with it as though the game is going to be played. Jim Leyland does not like cancelled games, and I assume he would like to take his chances even in the rain since they are playing with out Posada or A-Rod. Although frankly I really don’t like the idea at all of sitting at a wet cold ballpark.

Hey Fattazzy, lighten up. I don’t think Rich, gk, Dan or myself are whiners. I believe we are all passionate about the Tigs and want to see them succeed. You are right, it is a long season and hopefully we can turn it around. You gotta admit, though, what we have seen so far hasn’t been pretty. I’ve been a Tiger fan for 40 years–stuck with ‘em thru thick and thin. I hate to see anybody beat them, but it absolutely kills me when the Indians do, so don’t suggest I jump ship and root for them. Have a great time at the game today with your daughter!

GK knows the score. We are pretty hardcore fans here. Some of us have followed the team for over 50 years. There is history to uphold in the hearts and minds of a fanwhen you consider that length of time. To me, to be a Tiger, is something very special. Akin to be a Yankee, only better. It does get to me when we see players come here and not recognize the honor and the importance of their participation in Detroit baseball history. Most players that come come here adapt very well to the kind of “win one for the Gipper” work ethic.
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With the kind of salaries that are happening now, free agency and an overall more complicated society, we seeing more selfishness, complacency and introversion in our athletes. I think we have seen some of that here in Detroit and it hinders the teamwork and the integration that is needed to perform at its best.
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I think it was Rcih who said something about this being a collection of all-stars. It is very true and some of them need to understand that they have been assembled in order to construct a ‘team”. They can’t simply be the player they used to be and rest on their laurels. They can’t be the superstar distinct from their peers. Some are past their prime and have to find ways to contribute that may be slightly uncomfortable for them. Many of them have to stop feeling sorry for themselves and start looking around and discovering that they are among a really good group of guys and that this collection of all-stars has the opportunity to be much more than that.

As to today’s game. Robertson simply has to be able to take advantage of 4 LHB in the lineup. Most southpaws faced with that proprosition would be virtually salivating at the prospect.
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Not sure why the power outage for the Tigers. I’m not saying that this is the reason we are not winning. It’s certainly part of it but it is very clear that the starters are putting the club behind the 8 ball.
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One other thing that does bug me is the happy talk we get from JL. I know he is trying everything he can to find a way to something positive to happen. The latest is that when Rodney and Zumaya get back. “If we can get those two guys back in top form, all of a sudden we’re looking at a pretty nasty bullpen out there,” Leyland said. “I’ve always said I like our bullpen and they can get the job done, but if those guys come back, we could have a heck of a bullpen.”
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This is kinda’ what we heard about the lineup and starting rotation.
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The truth is the bullpen is not going to be much of a factor without the starting rotation finding itself again.

Yea, does anyone need some cheese to go their whine?
We write about our frustration because this Tiger team looks good on paper. I think Jair is 4-2 with Atlanta and has an era under 3. Hindsight is always 20-20.
Welcome Fatt. Where are you Ty Cobb? We need some fire, like Dan said we are polite and maybe that makes us boring. Remember last year the Yankees were given up on 3 seperate times!
I know it is difficult to watch our Tigers lose but how about if everyone just keeps thinking positive thoughts then maybe our starting pitchers will hear us.
Happy Mothers Day to all as I just took my mom out to breakfast and she is also a die hard Tiger fan!
Go Togers!!!
–Dave

Well just got back from the ballpark, paid parking and just walked in the gate and they cancelled the game. We tried to wait as long as we could and even on the radio they kept on saying we hope to get this game in today??? I knew they would cancel, I shouldn’t have gone down. Oh well at least the guy in the lot where we always park was giving out 1/2 price parking so we were only out $10 instead of $20. He was funny we said thanks for the discount and he said “don’t get spoiled”. Ha ha.
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Anyway I really wasn’t looking forward to sitting in the cold rain, so in a way I am kinda glad it is postponed, but it sure was nice seeing the Yankees withou Posada and A-Roid. (sorry had to get that dig in there) Hopefully when we play again we will be playing better ball and it won’t matter.

Hi all. This is going to be a long post but I had the time set aside for the game anyway. Dave, referring to the Renteria trade, said hindsight is always 20-20, so this got me curious. I took a look back at our comments last October and have pasted some here. All of these are the comments made immediately after the trade was announced and are from those who thought it was a bad trade. Anyone not mentioned here either didn’t comment or accepted it. Bear in mind that some of these are quotes coming from several different posts, so they may appear somewhat disjointed.

–Rich
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Comments on the Renteria trade:
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Brent:

Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!! I don’t like the trade for Renteria at all. First– I don’t think he’s that good. Second, we have gave up two really good prospects in Jurrjens and Hernandez. This smacks of stupidity. Can anyone explain how this makes sense? Wow– I’m still unhappy with the trade. Yes– Renteria’s a Tiger and I’ll cheer for him. Yes– I unfairly criticized DD for the Maroth trade and didn’t like Sheffield last year either. Yes– I’m willing to admit that I was wrong. Still, I don’t like trading away young arms– I was really impressed by Jurrjens– and I don’t like old shortstops that are on the downside of their careers. True Dombrowski’s made some good moves but lets not let him off the hook with only the bad trade for the Nefarious one. He also signed Jose Mesa and I’m not fully convinced that Humberto Sanchez won’t eventually pan out.
I’m just bummed that we gave up one– and possibly two– for an older player. I hope Renteria, like Sheffield and others, proves me wrong…
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DavidTiger:
I have sat on the sideline and watched the Indians implode; I did not cry. But I am crying now because our beloved Tigers are becoming older as we trade one of our decent position prospects, and a solid arm for **** with less range than Carlos. I hope this pans; I just know that the team is pushing toward an average age of 33-34 for its starters. Hope for the best. Well, Dan, at least Inge survived the first day after the World Series.

Rich:
I can’t put my finger on it, but there’s something here that bothers me. I certainly don’t like giving up Jurrjens, as I saw him as our top pitching prospect, and a sure bet to beat out Miller next spring. Edgar Renteria just doesn’t excite me. I’ve become wary of bringing National Leaguers over here only to discover that they don’t hit as we thought they would. The main question is, did we upgrade with the trade?
What we’ve basically done here is swap Casey for Renteria, while losing Jurrjens in the process. I don’t see as where this improves anything. I do think this deal has been planned for several months now.
Renteria won’t hit .332 over here. He’ll be closer to .280-.290. He has little power and only walked 46 times last season. He is a good guy, good teammate.
So we still haven’t addressed any real team needs, as I perceive them. I sure hope that’s coming later.
Let’s just say I’m underwhelmed. One more thought on the now departed Jurrjens. It’s so rare to see a 21-year old with stuff who can throw strikes with it. I hope we didn’t make a massive mistake here.
I wouldn’t exactly say that no one is too bummed about this trade. Looks to me like the majority don’t like it, but have been polite in their assessments.
I’ll repeat what I said earlier. I had Jair Jurrjens pegged as the fifth starter out of spring training, beating out the much hyped Andrew Miller. This is what we gave up. This from an organization that professes to be all about competing for years to come. I don’t see that viewpoint when I look at this deal. I see a quick fix to fill a perceived hole. I also think this deal has been in the works for months. I further think this deal was made because Renteria comes relatively cheap. Now, perhaps this saves payroll for the real big signing down the road, it remains to be seen. An A-Rod (good or bad) or a Bobby Abreu type of thing.
Edgar Renteria has never caused me to jump with excitement. Unfortunately, the deal is done and most of us are just accepting it at this point. If it turns out badly, then we’ve gone on record with being against it. If it turns out to be a good deal, I’ll be the first to say “shut up Rich.”
It’s pitching, man. It’s always pitching. We’ve given up too much of it.
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GK:
I hope I am wrong, but I don’t know if I like this. I really really liked the looks of Jurrjens this year before he got hurt. And everything that I have heard about Gorky’s. Oh well like someone said he is our guy now and I will just hope that Renteria doesn’t dissappoint.
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Dave Smith:
I don’t mind that we gave up on Gorkys. He may end up being a great position player in a few years, but position players are more easily replaced than good arms. I do mind giving up Jair for Renteria. Jurrjens looked like a really good prospect. Unless we don’t know something that DD does about his arm and health, I have trouble giving up a promising young arm for a proven major league shortstop with limited upside potential. Yes, he has had a very good career, but I have to wonder over the next five years which of the two (Jurrjens or Renteria) really offers the most benefit for the Tigers.

Marty:
Don’t think I like it either GK. The Red Sox and Indians get younger and we get older. I enjoy watching the young prospects develop, and Jurrjens looked like the real deal. Rentaria is a better fit than A-Rod and it sounds like he is a very good team player, but I’m still disappointed. We’ll see…
Napfn:
I don’t think the small difference in Renteria vs Santiago was worth giving up Jair. Jair was the most promising new guy we brought up and i think we’ve made a serious mistake

JTenant:
Sorry guys, work has been ungodly and I haven’t been able to see the blog or post. Plus, I had such “rage”, I just had to stay away. I’m only going to allow myself to say this once and then I move on, because once you’re a Tiger, you’re my guy.
I fu_k_ng hate this trade!! We panicked. I’m not going to repeat the stats because I already gave them to you a long time ago when this rumor was being floated. Other than hitting .325ish, his stats were pathetic for what we gave up. Runs, rbi etc. etc. not that much better than Santiago would have with that many AB’s.
I’m here to tell you that I was a fanatic fan this year and checked the minor league box scores every day. WE GAVE UP A FREAKING TON!!
Don’t forget that Jair was “rushed” up the ladder because of injuries. Had he stayed in AA ball all year like he should have, he’s probably our MiLB pitcher of the year.
Hernandez runs like the wind, is younger even than Maybin, and many thought was a better defensive CF than Maybin. Gork was the Midwest Player of the year on a championship team. Are we forgetting how bad Maybin looked? Didn’t see anything in his performance to suggest Hernandez was expendable.
Isn’t Renteria about a year or two away from being CGuillen, too gimpy and range-challenged to play SS anymore?
Tell you how bad this trade was. I’m on the east coast and the trade hasn’t made the news on any local OR national show for over two days. It’s a non-event and we gave up two SOLID + prospects for him.
You guys already made some other excellent points that I don’t need to repeat. He’s another freaking singles hitter who mostly gets those “safeties” with no RISP.
I hate this G/D trade! Have I made myself clear. Bad DD and JL if you supported this your off-season pass on being called the “old coot” is revoked.
OK, let’s move on. We still have great arm prospects in the system, and even if Maybin turns out to be a “bust”, CG is really still pretty young. Also, as you guys say, this assures we are out of the AROD business, which I know is a good thing.
So sorry if I bashed you E/r, but G/D it man you got to step it up and earn what we gave up! None of that sh_t you laid on the Red sox boy. Please come into camp in the best shape of your life, ready to ROCK!

Hessman hit 2 more today. Now has 16. Seems like he is having some fun. He’s hittin over .300 and has not made an error yet at 3B.
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Brent Clevlen is hitting over .300 too.
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Wonder if the Tiger brass will try to see if Larish can play OF? He is blocked at 1B with Cabrera there.
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Rich, nice post. I guess all of us want to give the young guys a chance, especially the pitchers, and we see an out of shape Renteria who has been polite and not exciting. Jurrjens has something to prove and now with the ever pitching rich Hotlanta Braves. Dan, maybe we can bring some of these guys up and rest the veterans because or “tired bats”. I have not checked, but does anyone know what Maybin is doing?
Thanks, Dave

I read thru the posts again and it does seem like DD and company want to win now but how many pitching prospects have we traded away to get the feared hitting line up 1 thru 9? How many of us can believe that we are last in pitching? Come on Justin, you were first pick for fantasy baseball! Well, it finally quit raining here in Grand Rapids. The Cubs are playing their game at home against the Dbacks and golf is on NBC. I was really looking forward to watching the Tigers.

I think when Dave D and Mr I. found that Cabrera could be pryed loose from the Marlins, that they lost their reality for a moment. If the Cabrera trade had happened first, Renteria coming to Motown would not have happened. The only reason I posit this is that it goes back to the original needs coming out of 2007. It was not right handed hitting we needed; it was a solid lefty bat, and we needed to shore up the pen. In hindsight, I agree that Casey gives you about as much offensively as we will see from Renteria, and as already expertly professed, Santiago could have handled short. My biggest complaint of all the happenings in creating a “super team” this year, is that we really got away from a recommitment of developing our minor league future stars. We have latched on to the big trade/free agency bandwagon, as our former draft picks become successful for other teams. Miller won his third straight start for the Marlins, and his three wins equal Bonderman and Verlander’s total this year. I won’t even mention Jurrjeans, whom everyone could see had potential with his handling of the Indians last summer. We have truly fallen into a pattern of losing to good right handed starters, not counting the great ones. I don’t see a turn around happening here. This year might have to be a growing pains year for Cabrera to adjust to AL pitchers. I think the most amazing stat of this year is the 0-18 when scoring less than four runs. Tell me that doesn’t point to a pitching problem. So we upgraded our hitting, which didn’t happen, we diminished our defense which has obviously happened, and every starter feels the pressure of trying to achieve a quality start. I will not badmouth this team any more. What we have is an amazing set of events, aand players trying to operate at their best, when noone is sure what their best might be. Perhaps 16-22 is it. I envy everyone who lives in in or near Detroit who can go to the park rooutinely. This Tiger fan since 1959, made one trip to tiger Stadium, and one to Comerica in 2002. I can’t wait to ee them in Baltimore in July ; a gift to my 24 year old Son, who admires his Dad enough to be a Tiger Fanatic too. We shall hope, as we do every game that, somehow a miracle will happen in the ninth to give my team another W. I love this team so much, and my heart breaks for them now. Thanks for listening to an old fool.

Davidtiger, I’ll be at the Baltimore series too. Saturday and Sunday, July 19 and 20. Have you got either of those dates? We should try to hook up for a minute if you do. I’m down by the Tiger dugout both days.
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As everyone can see, I had trouble with the spacing on that big post up there. You have to look for the poster names carefully because some of them got run together. MLB Blogs………….just another thing that’s gone down a rathole. :-)
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–Rich

“I love this team so much, and my heart breaks for them now”. A great quote davidtiger.
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I think this is how we all feel. And the only thing we can do at this point is sit and watch and support this team.
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If at times it sounds like there is whining on this blog is is just frustration. If we were not in support of the Tigers we surely wouldn’t come here to vent those frustrations. That is what this Blog is for. I may not agree with everything that is said, but I respect others opinions.
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***Marci*** A fan for many years!!!!!!!!!!

Rich,
We’re in on Friday and Saturday. Would love to hook up with a fellow TigerBlogger to share our griefs. Closer to the date, I’ll send you particulars. We are behind home plate for both nights.
Greg(aka, DavidTiger)

Sounds good, Greg. Looks like we’re only a few yards apart. Hopefully by then we won’t need to share griefs.
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So now we’re 4 out of first. Myself, I think Cleveland is the team to beat because of their pitching and we trail them by 3. Minnesota might take a big hit by losing Neshek. I see C-Mo hit a pair tonight, so good going, buddy. Now cut it out! :-)
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I’m looking forward to the return of Dontrelle Willis. I don’t think anybody has any idea how he’ll do, but it will be nice to see a “new” face in the rotation. At the very least, D-Train is not boring.
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Okay, I’ve got to get back to my ark construction. Anyone who lives in this neck of the woods knows we’re getting a massive rain event, and I’m fighting off a minor flood in my basement. It’s going to be a long night.
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–Rich

Hope everyone had a nice Mother’s Day. Just got back from a short trip this weekend. I had a wonderful mother. It’s been 19 years now since she passed away, but I was blessed to have had such a selfless, sacrificial and loving one.

Fattazzy, welcome to the blog site. When I read your blog it kind of upset me a little but, hey, that’s alright. You’re welcome to your opinion here. I disagree with your defining these comments as whining. I think there are a number of legitimate concerns. And I think that most of these guys/ladies on our blog are not only avid loyal Tiger fans, but are also very intelligent, insightful, and articulate. I have to say I’m humbled by the baseball knowledge that these folks have, and I’ve learned a great deal about this team, and the game itself, from observations and comments made here.

Rich, You should have been a lawyer! Great move digging those comments out of the archives! There’s the proof. That’s some pretty heady stuff. Prophetic. Our “whining” has not deviated one iota from it’s original focus. And you could probably find a lot more evidence.

Truth be said, I think this 16-22 start merits some whining, considering the talent given up and the gigantic payroll the team now has. I was listening to ESPN radio this afternoon on my way home, and some interesting comments were made about the decline of home runs in baseball this year, with an increase in sac flies. An interesting possible correlation was made to the steroid scare. They were saying that bodies were looking a bit smaller. Teams were trying to find different ways to produce runs. Some might not be designed as well to do that.

Excellent entry, (as well as last year’s too) Greg aka David Tiger. Very appreciated.

I am definately put in my place about the “whining” comment. I apologize if I offended anyone. It was just my opinion and I probably should have worded it differently. I love the tigers and I guess I just misunderstood your comments. I haven’t been a Tigers fan as long as most of you, I grew up in Cali watching the A’s but I have grown to love the Tigers over the last few years. Hopefully you all will have reason to cheer in the upcoming weeks.

Dave – I have been reading all the posts from the past week or so, but I think I have only posted once or twice during the span. I guess you all have said things pretty well when it comes to the state of the Tigers, so I just decided to not post as often.

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I am really not sure what to think right now. I keep telling myself that the season is relatively young and things will get going. I keep thinking the offense will be ok and the starters will come out of their funk. As each day goes by though, I am less and less sure. Honestly, I don’t know what to think of them anymore. So I guess that is the other reason I haven’t posted.

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It is strange though, I see a few ‘new faces’ posting over the past few weeks when I haven’t as much (compared to before) and almost feel out of the club…lol I guess I need to get going again with my posts on a regular basis. I will make it a point to do so from now on, if nothing else to just let you know know I am still alive and kickin’ lol

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I never thought I would say this….but rain is such a beautiful thing…..you can’t win or lose when the game is postponed… GO TIGERS!

Don’t worry about it az269. There’s plenty of whining that goes on here but it’s usually constructive whining. Stick with us long enough and you’ll become a whiner too:) But there is plenty of praise too, along with some good constructive ideas. So far this year there have been plenty of concerns, and we’re now solidly into the season. The record is beginning to look more like a trend than just a blip like we were all hoping.

Marty that is what concerns me as well. After the wins in NY, I was thinking here we go. We may not finish in the playoffs but at least they are starting to play better ball, an most importantly starting to get better pitching out of the strarters. Well, I was really trying to stay optomistic, but it is looking more and more like a trend I agree. I guess it wouldn’t bug me so bad, but for one we were expecting more, and two we all know this is not who they are. So I guess where the frustration lies is WHY?? This just seems to unlikely and so backwards from what track records tell you it should be. Now I am not going to place all the blame on the starters, because at times they have been okay, but it seems like on those days we just don’t get the hitting. It is really hard to place your finger on just one thing. Anyway now 4 games out of first and unless the Twins lose tonight it will be 4.5. Which is certianly not insurmountable BUT, only if they start playing and pitching the way they are capable of. Grienke will be tough tomorrow though???

KC can give us fits. Grieneke and the guy that really hammers us is DeJesus. Butler makes life miserable for us too. It ain’t ganooa be easy.
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A couple of days off after a dissapointing homestand may be just the thing we need. It also gives the braintrust a little time for some unobstructed thinking. The line that you just play through it and wait things out will not wash long when you have a ballpark to fill.
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I expect we will see some changes. Right now it looks as though some of the trades were mistakes. I don’t see any admissions of that by mangaement though. So we will indeed have to “wait” to see the impact of Cabreara, Renteria and Willis. They are going to stay.
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I think the guys on the bubble are Robertson, Inge, Bonderman, Sheffield and Thames. Most of those guys have tenures with the team back to 2003. I am not sure how deliberate it has been or if it is just a matter of attrition and coincidence, but the club has divested itself of most of those memories. I am never surprised when another one of them goes..
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I’ll start off by saying I like Inge. He is exciting to watch in the field. He is not a good hitter. He may be an uncomfortable presence on the squad. There is no way he will get his 3rd base job back. For all his versatility, his skills at 3rd represents most of his value. He provides no PH potential. If it were not for his generaous salary he would be gone.
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Sheffield is in the way of Thames, Raburn, Joyce and every outfielder in Toledo. He also prevents Hessman from being called up to play 3rd shifting Guillen to DH. I am making a hypothetical presumption here but I would suggest that he also may be an uncomfortable presence on the squad. His performance and production have been poor yet he still seems to get favorable treatment. He has made statements in the past re Latin ballplayers that I would imagine were not taken with a “That’s OK, that’s Sheff”, kind of acceptance. Again, he has a big contract and there would be a justified fear from other GMs that he is damaged goods.
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Bonderman has a great degree of potential. I think he needs to accept the fact that he is not the ace of the staff (even under current circumstances) and develop the changeup to a point where he can throw it at anytime. This might be the confidence builder that fortifies his pitching personality. I have never seen anyone with such transparent lack of confidence on the mound when things go wrong. He has to have some ferocity on the mound to support his hittable fastball and diminishing slider. He should only be dealt in a blockbuster trade.
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Robertson has a value that could be exploited. He is a lefty who can give you 200 innings and win 10 or 12 games.. There should be playoff bound teams that could use that commodity. We could argue that that describes the Tigers. True. And when he is pitching well he is a valuable guy. I think he is approaching the stage in his career where those periods of plus pitching are diminishing.
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Everybody seems to like Thames. He’s great. I sometimes think the team doesn’t deserve him as he such a nice guy one wonders if he isn’t being taken advantage of. Year after year on the pine watching newcomers and farmhands get the nod ahead of you. If they ever give him half a shot, here, to show what he can do he will a 31 year old trying to prove himself while batltling with the corrosive effects of inactivity. I would love to see what he could do on a regular basis. Much like Carlos Pena, maybe it needs to be somewhere else.
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Anyway, I am just rambling a bit on another off day. But I do think this ball team will begin to play more like we expected them to. I also think that the threatened “shakeup” hasn’t really happened yet.

They’re not going to get rid of those guys, Dan. Inge is the catcher for next year. Bonderman is “only” 25, although I’m getting tired of hearing that. I don’t know why you brought up Sheffield’s “controversial” comments about latinos (actually I do know) but it’s been addressed and in the past.
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This is all about execution, not personnel changes. A prime example was Saturday. Bonderman had a shaky performance but the offense was primed to make up for it in the seventh, scoring a run and putting men on second and third with none out. At this point, I thought Farnsworth would walk every single hitter he faced, but what happens? Renteria swings early, Pudge swings at ball four twice, and that pretty much ended that. Renteria and Pudge have as much experience as anyone in the big leagues, but they approached their ABs like little leaguers. That was a game that could have been won despite the early challenges, but this is what’s been happening all year. GK, this may answer your “why” question.
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If we go into KC and again have trouble with Butler, DeJesus, Grudzialanek, etc., it will be because we have a mediocre ballclub with poor concentration. This should not be a dead to the neck up ballclub. I still think we should play the guys who demonstrate they want to be in there by actions, not words.
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Another funny thing with FOX on Saturday. Those guys were all insisting that Cabrera couldn’t play firstbase, that the position swap was foolish and all, then right in the middle of their blabbering, Guillen makes a sparkling play at third and Cabrera makes a big time scoop at first. It got quiet in the booth for a minute. Next thing you know, they’re showing video of Cabby doing his early workouts around the bag. And these same guys who crowned the Tigers champions before a pitch had been thrown are now saying it’s hopeless. These are experts?
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Ah well, it’s still early. :-)
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–Rich

Does anyone know where to obtain team win-loss records by number of runs scored? Obviously, I want to compare Detroit with others to see how meaningful this oft quoted stat is. I’m not good at looking up this stuff.
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–Rich

Interesting that you think you know me better than I know myself.
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My point is that I believe there is something wrong in the clubhouse. It’s true I believe the clubhouse would be a better place to be if Sheffield weren’t in it. Im just stating an opinion. I can be as opinionated as Sheffield can’t I?
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I also think the clubhouse environment would be improved if Inge were to find employment somewhere else. Doesn’t mean I don’t like him or appreicate what he does.
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Also not saying I want all those guys to be traded. Bonderman, IMO, could be one of the elite pitchers in the bigs and for the record I don’t like his persoanality but I want him on my team and not against it.
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I am saying that I believe there will be a real shakeup, iit is not fair to the fans or the franchise itself to sit idly by and watch this disintigrate. I think they will do just that, for awhile longer, to see if the trend to calamity can be reversed. But if it doesn’t they will reluctantly make some changes.
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I’d appreciate it if you let me speak my mind without putting words in my mouth or inferring that I have ulterior motives.

First time commenter here, read you guys all the time and you pretty much always write what i’m thinking. Rich, on mlb.com go to standings and the XW-L column is for expected wins based on runs scored and runs against. The tigers are meeting their expectations….lol. Hope that helps.

Rich–Also on the MLB website, if you click on the standings tab, you can click “RS”–its’ one of the boxes on the top…it gives you the runs scored for every team.
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Your question about that got me a little more interested in our runs scored and i was surprised to see that we are leading the AL Central with runs scored..hmmm. BUT we are also very very far ahead of them with runs against. In fact, we have given up the 2nd most amount of runs…we’re 2 runs behind Texas for runs against.

Nothing personal, Dan. I’m just conversing with you. Just going by the number of negative things you’ve said about Sheffield, I assumed you didn’t like him. I guess I shouldn’t have assumed. My apologies.
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Ryan, welcome.
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What I’m looking for here, guys, is stats for other teams. I keep hearing that the Tigers are 0-19 or something when scoring 3 runs or less, and was wondering what record other teams have in that category. What I find striking is that we’ve played 19 games and scored 3 runs or less, not that we’ve lost them. I tried Baseball-reference.com but kind of got lost in there. :-)
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–Rich

Willis 3IP and 2 home-runs. I know we probably shouldn’t make much of a minor league start but at what point do we really start to panic about Willis (if you haven’t started already).

-Eric

The way Minnesota and Cleveland are starting to play, the Tigers have to take the KC series or risk falling even further behind. Look at how the Twins manhandled Wakefield. The Tigers barely got any hits off him. And now Cleveland seems to be getting some production from their starting pitchers, especially Carmona and Lee.

I agree with msdof. The Tigers have to start winning against teams that they should be beating. Tomorrow with Greinke starting might be a tough battle with Nate’s inconsistency but we have to take 2 out of 3 here. Time to start playing at our potential.

Well hopefully after 2 days off the Tigers will be back in business and ready to take this series…We all know what they’re capable of, and so do they, so some quality starts from our pitchers with the offense to back it up will be a great way to start this week :)

Ty-good to here from you. Cleveland has good pitching and their fans have good whining. We need to start pitching. Bondo can be great. Willis needs to be in shape, no tweaked knee, etc. We need a leader and I think Sheff and Rogers need to step up as veterans and get in someone’s face. Brent, you always have some good insight. The talk around town is that once it warms up the Tigers will be loose. But, pitching and fielding and of course the two out hits and maybe a 3 run homer! Iknow this is a baseball site but I watched the Wings at the local sports bar tonight. Now that is a team with fire. Detroit Sports!
Go Tigers!
–Dave

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