Marlins, Padres show interest in Jones

That didn’t take long. The Marlins and Padres have shown interest in ex-Tiger Jacque Jones, according to MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro. It continues a long-running interest from the Marlins in Jones, whom they nearly traded for last summer. From the story:

Jones was designated for assignment on Monday. If the Marlins move in
quickly on the outfielder, a deal could be worked out in the next day
or two.

The Padres, according to a second source, also have inquired about Jones.

It’s hard to envision anyone trading for Jones with his salary when they could wait a while and grab him as a free agent for the minimum, leaving the Tigers to pick up the rest.

28 Comments

If they need an outfielder why don’t we give them Sheffield. The operative word there is “give”. ‘Cause they won’t be interested in the hefty salary.
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Well at least the game is a quick one.
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It seems to me that there must almost have to be a “problem” that is contributing to the way the team has not come together. I know it is easy and maybe narrow minded to find a reason to explain their horrible play, but something has to dreadfully wrong.
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There does not seem to be any team morale and it has permeated performance on the playing field. No intensity, no leadership (and Leyland has to be included here to), and no enthusiasm.
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I think they have to really do something drastic. Far more “drastic” than getting rid of J Jones or Jason Grilli. And “getting rid” is what they need to do.
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They need some speed and some youth. My candidates for exorcism are Sheffield, Rogers, Robertson, Inge and Pudge.
It would not break my heart to see any of them go. OK, maybe Rogers.
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I heard JL interviewed before the game (by Jim Price I believe) and he was asked about the hitting approach by the batters. He deferred to Lloyd McLendon saying that was his job and that he thought maybe they were trying to hit to the opposite field too much. I mean, c’mon. Are you the manger or not? Take responsibility.
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If this malaise continues perhaps the sacrificial lamb won’t be a player after all.

OK, here is my 8 cents worth. I agree with Dan as far as polite baseball goes. Let’s show some emotion! Who broke the bat over his knee when he stuck out? Who is the team leader and is in the face of someone who does not get the clutch hit? Who wants to win every game they play and not just collect a paycheck? Yea, what Tiger pitcher wants to throw a shutout? Anyway, enough whos. I was listening to the game as I had yard work to do. You might as well rest the (overpaid) veterans and let the minor leaguer play as it might be more exciting. Put Curtis in the 3 hole! Enough for now. The season is still young.
Go Tigers!
–Dave

Dan, I see we posted at the same time. Ditto. Speed and youth!
–Dave

Cabrera has been disappointing so far. I think some of it has been a result of his leg and I really think that he has not mentally adjusted to batting 5th.
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If JL wants to shake things up put the kid at cleanup and show him you have confidence in him ( at least offensively), and move Ordonez ( who has hit only 1 HR with a runner on base this year) to the 3 hole. Now there’s a shakeup. And, oh yeah, get rid of Sheffield.

If Cabrera is really as good as everyone says he should hit at any spot in the lineup. The excuses are getting old and the hitting is pathetic. I agree 100% about the lack of fire and emotion in this team. I still think Leyland is a good manager but I think he’d do better moulding a younger team that he could motivate. The veterans have heard it before and it doesn’t work on them. And like I said before they already have their big contracts.

Oh yeah and Jurrjens won tonight to make him 4-2 with a 2.84 ERA.

That one hurt aklos.

Never trade away a good young pitcher that you need for a player that you don’t need…..Big League Trading 101

Jason, I posted a question for you on Marcus but I accidentally posted it on your previous entry.

I agree with your idea Dan, but not necessarily the same players. There’s a log jam of position players and DHers that needs to be parred down. I would keep Inge because he’s not really part of the log jam. Right now he’s just a bench player, and a very good one at that. He may benefit from the parring however. I would keep Rogers too…..at least at this point. My choices would be Pudge, Shef, and Renteria. That would clear some space for some youth. Nothing against Renteria, we just didn’t need him. Wonder if Atlanta would be willing to take the trade back.

I thought it was just me! I got that same feeling watching tonights game and thought to myself , they are playing like a bunch of stranger just thrown on a field together.. No intensity. No Teamwork!!! Nows is the time to get playing your A game! Not save it for KC, or Texas…. This is Boston! Come on guys.. you just got swept by your own division Twins and come home to this?.. Lets get going…Not even any consecutive hits to advance runners?
For shame… How embarrassing!… Boston used Detroit to wipe their bats on! Back to back homers by Ortiz and Manny? UGH! Pitiful.
You know, it seemed liked nobody but Thames & Granderson was trying hard to help out Verlander a few days ago.. & what about tonight? I have noticed, its just as if one side is trying to embarass the other and make them look bad.
WHats up?

one more thing , they are playing without any HEART!!! Last summer was a hell of alot more fun listening to the games, radio and watching on TV!

I’m late tonight. I decided to record the game and we enjoyed a recorded episode of “Boston Legal.” Got my wife off the hook of having to watch these guys tonight. :-) I then went ahead and watched it later. Quick game, wasn’t it?
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I’m not going to play manager or GM here. You could make 100 moves or you could make none. Sure, I have my own ideas but what’s the point? I’d just be repeating myself. I think the fanbase collectively has already traded most of the team away. :-) I’m just going to take this on a game by game basis, since it’s a long summer and many things, both good and bad, will happen before it’s over.
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Some of those pitches by Wakefield were unhittable for big league hitters. Softball players could have jacked ‘em maybe. Nate did his usual Houdini act most of the night. I thought he had Ortiz struck out on a pitch identical to an earlier one in the AB that was called a strike. When he didn’t get that call, I just waited for the inevitable bomb and wasn’t disappointed. Pudge should have directed Nate to throw to third on that bunt, but we got out of that one anyway. Have you noticed how many times this season the opposition (Youkilis tonight) has bounced a ball towards third and it goes an inch fair for a double? We never get that kind of hit, it doesn’t seem. Then you get a lifetime .167 hitter (Cash, of all names) getting three hits. Man, when it’s going bad……………….
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An 11-2 pasting would be of some help, but I’m thinking a win similar to those two Minnesota games a couple weeks ago would be better. These fellows need a confidence boost right now. That might even speed up their infield play, which is looking painfully slow and aged.
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Unless it was the sound I was getting, I didn’t hear any booing tonight. Either everyone was enjoying their hot dogs or they were bored. I’m guessing the latter. Kind of like a theater crowd during a bad performance. The TV shots of all those people, just kind of sitting there, staring at the field.
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Question for anybody: Nate pitched six innings allowing 3 runs, which would qualify for one of these quality start things. Since he gave up a fourth run in the seventh, is it still a quality start or does it become a “you stink” start?
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–Rich

I’m pretty sure it’s still a quality start…it has to be at least 6 innings and no more than 3 earned runs…
hmm maybe not? i’m not sure.
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Rich, in regards to your post…I don’t necessarily think the team has collectively been traded according to the fanbase…at least not by me anyway. I think getting rid of JJ was appropriate, but trading the rest of the team…ehh, i don’t know about that. Maybe making a few changes to the batting order and taking Sheff out of LF would be fine with me. I like Inge at 3rd. Renteria was impressive at the beginning of the season, but the way he has played this week I am beginning to think otherwise. Hopefully he’s just having a bad week. As for the Marlins and Padres being interested in JJ, good for him. At least he’ll have another club to play for, hopefully.
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I’m going to the game today, so i’m really crossing my fingers that the Tigers remember to bring their hitting shoes!!
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I think I only heard booing once, but I’m pretty sure it was during Robertson’s “one bad inning”, so I guess that’s to be expected.

Didn’t get to watch the game (if you could call it that) last night. I did tivo it but decided it was not worth my time to watch. I did talk to a friend that was there and he said they just look pathetic.
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So I really have nothing to say about the losers specifically, but WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON????
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I wonder if they need to be trounced and be really humiliated??? Although I would of thought Sunday would of done that.
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Not much fun to watch, maybe I will watch the Pistons tonight instead. Oh I will probably still torture myself and watch the Tigers. Like a train wreck I cannot look away.

Just wanted to post again to tell all of you thank you for posting my exact feelings. Sheffield has to go, is it possible that one man who is known for his bad attitude has rubbed off on some younger players? I know it is a stretch, but they’re breaking my heart and I maybe I just need a lame excuse. Out with Shef, VOTE Thames!!!!!

I think everyone is missing the problem with this team, everyone is focusing on the hitting, and while it’s frustrating that so many players who have career avgs over .300 are hitting far below that mark, this is not the biggest problem we have right now…we are averaging 4.7 runs a game, among the leaders in all of baseball and while we expected more, and I think we will get more in the end, what we should be focusing on is the 5.4 runs we are giving up each game that is worse than every team in baseball except the Rangers who play in a small ballpark, and the Pirates, who are…well, the Pirates.

We have now played 34 games on the year, and in a embarrassingly low 5 of them has our pitching staff held our opponent below 4 runs. There is no way that we can expect our hitters to be able to counter that on a nightly basis.

Just a couple of other thoughts on general sources of frustration that I see here and from many Tigers fans:
Sheff’s BA is certainly lower than we would all like, but he is leading our team in walks which says to me that his approach to hitting is exactly what we expect from him, but that perhaps his shoulder is preventing him from generating his legendary bat speed and that maybe a DL stint is in order, but not giving him away for a bag of balls.

Second, while Jurrjens has certainly looked very good thus far this spring, and I’m not going to deny that it’d be nice to have him back, but some people seem to forget that at the time we traded him we still had Miller and so Jurrjens wouldn’t have been in our rotation anyway if we hadn’t made any of our offseason moves (and probably still wouldn’t because we wouldn’t have had Willis get hurt allowing a minor leaguer to come up). At the time we made this trade we were still of the mindset that Miller wasn’t going anywhere as the Cabrera trade came out of nowhere.

Finally, I would just like to remind everyone that it’s a long season, and the AL Central hasn’t exactly had anyone play great baseball for more than a week or so, so it’s not like we’re falling way out of the race for the playoffs, so before we go trading all of our players, lets wait and see how this plays out, and don’t forget how amazing it is to even be able to have the problems we have now compared to that horrible team that lost 119 games not all that long ago.

what the team needs, is a little emotion. maybe BoSox will have a pitch go wild and pelt sheff in the noggin, causing a bench clearing brawl…. wouldn’t it be nice to have farnsworth still in the BP to rush in and pick people up and drive them to the ground like in 06?
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fight! always good for emotion, and it would give the fans at home something to see.
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btw- i’m not condoning fighting, by any means :)
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mike

I think we’re past the point of comparisons to the ’03 team. That was five years ago, and if the Tigers had continued to play like that, none of us would be here talking right now. We were happy in 2004 with 72 wins, but I don’t think that would work for more than the one season. Who wants a 72 win season in 2008 just because it’s better than the 2003 team? 2003 was laid to rest in 2006.
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Everyone is not missing the problem, and everyone is not focusing only on the hitting. That’s the big topic lately because we’ve scored one run in the last 26 innings. Besides, people like to create lineups and post their ideas, that’s just the nature of folks.
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As far as trading away the team, that’s a little joke. If we were to take all the different suggestions and act on them, there wouldn’t be many of these guys left. :-) No one individual that I’ve seen has advocated mass changes.
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There is no one “problem” to be solved. No magic fix. This is a group of new guys in new positions and they aren’t a team. Yet. The season remains young. I agree that the Central is there for the taking.
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I bemoaned the Jurrjens trade because I foresaw that he would be the next guy into the rotation, not Miller. I know Tiger brass was aiming for Miller, but I didn’t think it would work out, and Jurrjens would work his way in.
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–Rich

It’s not the starting pitching or the lack of hitting that is responsible for the poor results so far. It is everything. All departments. The bullpen has been relatively good but some of that can be reflected in getting outs after the game was decided anyway.
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There have been very few “clutch” performances from anybody. You can look at the avg runs per game but it fails to mention that the tigers have scored 4 runs or less in more than half their games so far. The 5 shutouts also tell you something. There have been several losses where we have scored but one run.
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The team scored 43 runs in their 20 losses. If you apply averages to that stat you will see that they are simply not scoring enough to win consistently. This is the kind of team that can put up numbers in the double digits offensively but is not playing well when the games are contentious.
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When the game is on the line is when you need your team to “gel”, and this is simply not happening offensively, defensively or on the mound.
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These guys have not found the glue that binds them yet. They have discord in the clubhouse that can’t be denied. Inge is unhappy, Sheffield has been so brutal yet is still treated like a prima donna, Pudge is sulking, players are being told they are inadequate at their position, rookies are playing ahead of solid veterans. This has created a lack of cohesion and the efforts produced by this eclectic mix of ballplayers is fragmentary. There is no “flow”, no continuity or consistency.
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Whose fault is it?
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DD for bringing in the players he did?
The players’ not motivated because they have big contracts?
JL not playing the right guys?
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I don’t think there is one reason. I think it is more likely that there are 28 reasons. Leylan, McLendon, Hernandez and the whole damn roster. They are disjointed and dysfunctional and are all on different wave lengths. Something needs to happen to galvanize these guys into a 3 Musketeers mindset.
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I wonder how things would change if Inge and Sheffield were somewhere else?

To answer the quality start question:

If you go six and give up three or less and then go out in the seventh and blow it, it is not a quality start.

Secondly, teams that throw a quality start win 67% of the time since 1957. However, reaching the exact minimum, that drops to less than .500.

Teams that have a quality start through six innings and allow the pitcher to go back out, where he loses the quality start are batting about .333 in the last 50 years, but it doesn’t happen as much as you’d think…

I guess everyone has said it all here today! I am glad that I am not the only one here that is very discouraged. Does that mean that I will give up on the team? Hell No! I am just glad that I can vent and have someone atleast read what I feel.
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I hear Matt Joyce is DH tonight. (Nothing against him but) Is that what you mean by having a rookie play ahead of someone such as Thames or Santiago or Raburn. Maybe if JL would play some or all of them the veterans would get ticked off and start doing something.
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***Marci***

Marci, I agree. I have never liked how JL will bring someone up and start playing them ahead of people on the bench. Heck, if Raburn isn’t going to get playing time, send him down to Toledo so he can keep sharp in the batter’s box. Sitting on the bench is doing him no good at all.

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In fact, Raburn once said “If I can’t be playing up in Detroit, there is no place I would rather be than in Toledo – it is a great place to play” Those are at least close to his own words from the interview I heard alittle while back.

That’s a pretty good attitude from Ryan, Ty.
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I will say one thing in meager defense of starting Joyce. He’s left handed. Just like Monday night, you can bet he’ll come up in a game situation and just like Monday night, Francona will bring in Okajima. Then, just like Monday night, JL counters with Thames. But instead of singling home two runs, just like Monday night, this time Marcus hits one over the scoreboard. Leaving us to say on Thursday, “hit one just like Wednesday night, Marcus.” :-)
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But all in all, I’m in agreement with you guys on this issue. We need some home run pop here, instant offense. That’s Marcus’s job description. I wish we’d leave Toledo be and use the guys on the 25-man.
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–Rich

14-20. Who would have thunk it? I don’t think even Leyland could have envisioned a start like this. He is in a tough spot, though. Given his loyalty with veterans, especially ones who played for him elsewhere, he is reluctant to sit them. To bench one or two guys would single them out, tantamount to making them the scapegoats on this comatose team. Not a real morale booster in the clubhouse. So he keeps penciling in the same guys, hoping they will come around. When they don’t, he strokes their collective egos by saying he believes in them. He may be right, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. IMO there aren’t enough hits in those bats to offset lousy starting pitching, sometime shoddy defense, and lack of team speed. There is no quick fix and I don’t have an answer for it. But for all of us who love the Tigers, we can only hope Jim’s right. -ED

I agree with what you guys were saying about Ryan Raburn…It sucks that he’s just sitting on the bench while the other guys get to play, you know if he were in Toledo he’d be getting alot more PT.
I’m a big RR fan, but I think what’s best for him is getting time on the field, not on the bench.
It’s nice to have Joyce’s bat in the line up, but I can see how that could irritate some of the older players.
All in all, I’m hoping for a nice turn around from the Tigs sometime soon.
AL Central isn’t doing anything amazing, none of the teams are leading the AL in wins.

if the the padres pick up jones they should trade edmonds to detroit for jones

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