To go over the changes

  1. Jacque Jones designated for assignment.
  2. Matt Joyce called up from Toledo and is in RF.
  3. Sheffield is batting sixth and playing in LF, the latter per his request.
  4. Carlos Guillen will hit third.
  5. Magglio is still batting cleanup, but is DHing again today and will probably do that part-time while splitting time in RF.

Got all that? OK, here’s the lineup:

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Guillen, 3B
  4. Ordonez, DH
  5. Cabrera, 1B
  6. Sheffield, LF
  7. Joyce, RF
  8. Renteria, SS
  9. Rodriguez, C

22 Comments

Thanks for answering on the last blog Rich. And of course I added another. We are generally on the same page here. I know you are a Santiago fan too.

Well to JL’s credit, he is giving Carlos a big honest, classy professional vote of confidence in starting him at third again. If anyone deserves one, it’s Carlos. Not sure this will work however. But we’ll see.

It’ll be fun to see a new face in the game too. Change is good.

Damn, now what am I going to do with all these Jacque Jones all-star ballots???

They make nice party favors. You can pair them with Rob Deer autographs and your guests will really appreciate it.

Finally–I am still a big fan of Santiago and Raburn and am wondering why they aren’t a part of the “drastic changes”…I’m interested to see how Sheff will do in left tonight since his shoulder is still bothering him.

it took me a while but i just read all the comments from last night, haha. Ya know, what I’m really wondering here is why DD is paying these guys to sit on the bench…they’re not getting any better just watching these terrible games…at least let them play a few innings, switch it up a little…come on.
It’s hard to judge whether or not Thames, Raburn, Santiago are great hitters or rally killers if we aren’t even seeing them play.
I agree that Inge has had his hitting troubles, but defensively he’s amazing at 3rd and I’d really enjoy seeing more of him over there, instead of someone who is struggling. If we want Guillen’s bat in the lineup put him as DH or at a position he is more comfortable.
–Adrienne–

Rich–no those guys weren’t me. Nor was the guy on the cell phone or the other one with the blonde. I was behind home plate on the 3rd base side with a red-head and a brunette on my arm, smoking a Cuban and waiting for my 11.50 Heineken!!.
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Just kidding.
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Great points by many asteute fans here. Wish JL would listen to us.
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Don’t like the “teaser” that JL gave about drastic changes. We don’t wan’t him becoming a J.T. Barnum and promoting a product.
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Jones getting the Heave-ho is the right thing to do. But, calling up Joyce is not. Management, IMO, is creating more problems by not following through with the drastic changes threat by giving Marcus some time.
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Sheffield has requested a LF assignment? Isn’t that nice—give the guy who has hurt the team the most from the All Star break last year to now— the right to call his shots. Magnanimous of management to accomodate him.
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Joyce playing is another experiment.
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As far as moving Cabrera and Guillen back—yes, I would do it and simply admit it was a mistake. Then move on. Put some pressure on Cabrera and tell him the job is his and that he is batting cleanup. Move Ordonez to the #3 spot and bat Guillen 5th. Thames 6th or Sheffield if they insist the guy has to play. That’s a shakeup.
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Pudge batting 9th is perfect
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One other thing—-for a team that has trouble generating movement on the base paths we are getting crucified by the lack of 3 run HRs. I am not sure of how many we have hit but I’ll bet it is no more than 2 or 3 all year long. If you can’t wear someone down by running circles around them then you absolutely need the 3-run bomb as part of your offense.

Wow….Didn’t get to watch this one….looks like it was a blessing. Took a look at game day… it must have been brutal. 10 walks and they only scored 3. At least our guy Thames gets one at bat and promptly shows how its done. Good for Marcus. No in game comments?…it REALLY must have been brutal!

Dan, I believed everything except the part where you were smoking a Cuban inside the ballpark. :-)
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I assume everyone switched over to the Pistons game?
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I find it’s less stressful to watch the Tigers when I expect nothing. I had a very stress-free evening. Anyway, Bonderman pitched a pretty good game. I was surprised that Lowell was able to pull in and get that one out of the park. The Youkilis pitch wasn’t that bad either. The Detroit hitting requires no comment.
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I do get tired of nearly every player comment including the phrase “we know we have a good team.” Obviously, we have no such thing. I suppose we just kick back and wait, since it’s a very long season and nobody in the Central is doing much of anything. The White Sox lost 1-0 on a Matt Stairs homer.
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In the meantime I’m wondering why Matt Joyce and not Clete Thomas. I realize Clete is hitting .213 at Toledo, but we’ve already seen what he can do in the Show. I suppose they made the same old tired call to Toledo, asking the same old tired question “who’s going good?” and calling up that player. Clete, you’ll have to learn to hit AAA pitching to prove you can play up here. Strange. I also think Santiago needs more PT. They obviously need a spark and he’s the guy to do it. Oh I forgot, he can’t hit. In his last 91 ABs in the big leagues, he’s hitting .308 with 8 doubles, 2 triples, 15 RBIs, and a homer. That would calculate, in 546 ABs, to .308 with 48 doubles, 12 triples, 90 RBIs and 6 homers, and a .473 slugging pct. Obviously not “scary” enough for this lineup.
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Pretty laid back crowd tonight. Very minimal booing, and some loud cheers during the one rally. I guess they’re stress-free too.
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–Rich

i woudl’ve loved to watch this game. even though they lost, it would’ve been better than what i had going on. lol!!! our landlord broke into our locked, gated, backyard… tried to cover up the cesspool of a backyard, i had to put him in check, throw him to the ground, take his shovel from him and throw it olympic javelin style, and then had to deal with the cops the rest of the night.
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no i’m not in jail :)
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and he’s lucky he isn’t either. breaking and entering is breaking and entering.
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so…. watching baseball would’ve been a better day for me. even though the tigers lost. BLAH!
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all that being said, i agree with rich, and i believe i was one of the original Clete instead of JJones arguers.
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clete’s demeanor reminds me of the 2006 tigers. fiery. goes to the plate and gets the job done. maybe not always, but enough. he’s a good guy. idk who this joyce guy is. i’m not close enough to the tiger ML system as others might be. i’m a block away from angels system (rancho cucamonga quakes…) but i dont go to those games either. if i want to see minor league games, i’ll go to a dodger game :)
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BLAH!!!!!! what a day. happy cinco de friggen mayo.
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mike

this is becomming hard to watch. its time to get back to what works, and that would be brandon inge at third base.
everybody complains about inges bat well hes thier for defense 959 fielding pct last year i believe. with all the big sticks we have brandons bat should be looked at as a bonus he is earning his check at third.

i love the sheff but if you leave him in left we are going to have issues,the man is 39 and it showed last night. slow to the ball and no arm.
we are fortunate cleveland is also off to a slow start lets not wait till were 10 back to get dialed in.

Well to tired after getting home from that very long game to cmment on it. Dice is amazing he can throw a bunch of crap that nobody could possibly hit at just the right times to walk guys, but then throws something just enticing (spelling) enough so that they get under it and pop it out. Amazing.
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I am actually one that liked the fact that they didn’t bring Clete back up, I thought that the last few weeks here he was kinda exposed and was not hitting like he was. And isn’t hitting now. I actually would of liked it if they hadn’t brought up an outfielder and brought up Hessman he can play 1st and 3rd. He is hitting the crap out of the ball, and I could be wrong on this hasn’t he played some outfield last year???
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There were a few nice defensive plays last night, Sheffield at the wall, Renteria and of course Curtis. That was the most exciting thing last night
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Lets hope that Wakefields’ knuckle ball is not on tonight. And Nate keeps going on the track that he has been on.

So I got to actually watch a game last night since it was on ESPN. I picked it up at about the 4th inning and I lasted until about the 8th. Not that I fell asleep, I just turned off the game and started reading a book – that was more exciting than watching this team play.

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As it has been said many times, this team plays with no intensity and looks to have a lack of desire. Let’s call a spade a spade here…they stink! You get all exicted about a series sweep then they stink up the place for 4 straight games.

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J. Jones geing gone – about friggin’ time.
Sheff in LF – heck, why not. It really might pick up his hitting. We all knew he wasn’t crazy about DH’ing full time anyway.
Guillen – isn’t very good in the field no matter where you put him….he is just OK. Hitting, he can still hit the crap outta the ball and we need him in the lineup. Like we have all said, I don’t care if he likes it or not, put his butt in DH and put Inge at 3B.
Cabby – he’ll be OK at 1B and I don’t see him moving anywhere else in the field. In a few years he’ll be full time DH. Although, with his attention span, we probably should have him in the field and not sitting in the dugout during innings where he might forget he is actually at a game. (don’t get me wrong I love the guy, but I really think he has ADD or something)..lol..
Joyce – jeez…..we have perfectly fine people on the bench, so what do they do, bring up a kid and start him the first night. I am sure Raburn just loves that. Santiago – he is use to being on the bench so I am sure it doesn’t bother him. Thames – has to be ticked though and came through (A ‘in YO face’ hit) last night.

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Anyway, I have been keeping up with reading everyones blogs over the past few days, but just haven’t felt like posting. Hope everyone is doing well.

What to expect from expectations:
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The lineup that had already become mythical, the lineup that was in nearly every preseason article and discussion, the lineup that would score 1000 runs (like the face that launched 1000 ships?), is now history. With the departure of JJones, it’s a thing of the past.
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The lineup appeared in a total of 3 games, scoring 9 runs.
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Just a little statistical oddity for you there, in case it ever comes up in a trivia question, cue the duck. :-)
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–Rich

I sure liked how Santiago played in NY. I think that he adds something we lack when he is in the lineup. He can bunt, he can run and he sure can field. His bat has come alive and he is not overmatched at the plate.
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I keep hearing arguments that Shefffield never hits isn April–well he didn’t hit in (most of) July, August, or September either. It’s not just a slow start, he is physically (I won’t add anything unkind) impaired and it grinds me to see that he continues to call his own shots in Detroit. He decides that mabybe he can regain “focus” at bat by suggesting he play LF. Give me Marcus out there any day ahead of him.
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Marcus is a manager’s dream. A cheap insurance policy that is willing to do whatever is asked. I am surprised he hasn’t insisted on “a play me or trade me” edict. Management is blessed to have his character on the team. He does not complain even after all the times he has been overlooked (and I go even further, insulted), by the litany of pretenders to play LF. I’d like to see him stand up and say ” I’m mad, and I’m not going to take it anymore”.
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I mean the guy is behind Sheffield and “Matt Joyce” on the depth chart? Where is the honor or sense in that?
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We have heard a lot about the poor defense at 3B. Yes Inge would correct that but he would add to the troubles the offense has had. He is back in the “take the first curve for a strike, foul one off and then take a long hopeful swing” mode again. He is not the answer for us at 3rd. It’s a shame they couldn’t get anything for him before the season started–and yes, I am very aware of how well he did filling in for injuries.
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Guillen is not going to be able to play 3rd, his arm is atrocious and we don’t have a Sean Casey to make him look good. I still say Cabrera should be there, after all they wanted him there to begin with and that is where he is familiar playing. You also take advantage of another of his assets which is wasted at 1B—his arm. He has a cannon and it’s pretty accurate. Just have Belliard work with him and get him back in the groove.
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If Inge were gone and they were still in experimental mode (and this is not what I would do), why not play Santiago and move Renteria to 3rd. You now have a good glove and a decent arm at 3rd and have improved the range at SS considerably. Perks up the offense more than Inge could do.
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Guillen would have to DH (like it or not) and Sheffield can go buy a yacht.
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Yesterday’s game was a case in point about the missing ingredient I mentioned. The 3 run HR. With all those walks would it not have been nice to see just one swing bring a couple of them in?
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Ordonez has 6 HRs–1 (ONE!) has been hit with a runner on.
All of Curtis’ HRs have been solo shots
All of Guillen’s have been solo shots

Cabrera has had a runner on 4 times of his 6 and the forgotten man, Thames, has had a runner on for both of his HRs.
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Take Cabrera and bat him 4th. Bat Ordonez 3rd and bat Guillen 5th and Sheffield (if you must) 6th
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Enough rambling from me as these are all pretty much wasted words but it does help to spit them out.
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Hey everyone,
I have never posted, but I read you guys every day. Excellent stuff!!! I say we all load this blog up with Thames support. I can’t stand the Sheff situation. After we load this blog with Thames support, move on to the FSN page and start emailing Rod and Mario, and any other person that has a blog or email that we can bother about this. Eventually maybe the front office will get the picture. The fans pay the bills, they wouldn’t have this mythical “1,000 run team” without us. I may sound ridiculous but maybe it could be worth it.

Okay, now there’s an idea. A media blitz. “Vote for Change. Vote for Thames.” :-) This is better than some of the suggestions I’ve seen out there.
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Dan, your last line about wasted words is very accurate, and go ahead and spit ‘em out by all means. That’s why we’re here. Sure it does no real good, but if it makes anyone feel better, fire away. I would myself but I’m just getting tired of mentally “fixing” a team that’s not put together correctly in the first place. Somewhere, DD and management lost hold of the old axiom, “pitching and defense wins championships”. The major mistake here, and I do mean major, was relying on the current pitching staff. That led us to trading away I don’t know how many good young arms that perhaps could have stepped in to help. In return, we got a gaggle of good ballplayers who can’t find roles on a team together. That fact won’t change even if we do win this thing. It’s the Sheltons and Inges and Santiagos of the world that fill out a team, the role players. What we have now is a starting lineup who’s only job is to hit. You know who I miss right now? Mike Rabelo.
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I’ve read a lot of comments around the net the last few days. Everyone has a solution, everyone has a scapegoat. There are none of either. This is not a team.
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–Rich

Rich, nicely put.

Rich, I agree with you about the pitching and defense. We can only hope that some pitchers will step up and improve their performance. It seems like this is kind of happening. It seems strange, though, when our pitchers’ best performances are 6 innings and four runs, or something like that. That gives the team a chance to win, but those aren’t masterpieces.

On defence, I think you have no place for Guillen, so you gotta make him the DH. You just moved MC to 1st, so you gotta leave him there for a while. Inge is not hitting well, but putting him a third might be the answer for now. Moving Reteria just seems like more musical chairs to me.

As for players like Clete and Santiago, there is absolutely no guarantee they would put up similar numbers if they played every day for a whole season. I think pitchers were starting to pay a little attention to Clete and you can see how his average was dropping toward the end.

Just to clarify, Steve, I projected Santiago’s hitting stats over an entire season merely to put into perspective how well he has hit over the last 91 ABs. Do I think he’d do that over a full season? No. Do I think he’s a much better hitter than he’ll ever be credited for? Yes.
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I sure do agree with you about what constitutes a “good” pitching performance these days. Our starters had a 4.00 ERA in 2006. We’re not even coming close to that. I don’t even expect seven strong innings anymore, from any big league pitcher.
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–Rich

I have never commented before, but I needed to vent today. Watching Gary Sheffield swing out of his cleats at 68 mph pitches last night was maddening.
I have never questioned Leyland before, but seriously, how long can you leave Gary in the lineup before realizing that he’s not getting better? It’s like repeatedly hitting yourself in the head with a brick because you can’t figure out if it hurts or not!
At what point will Leyland finally pull the plug? I am not saying to pull the plug for good…but maybe give him a few weeks.

ABOUT 3 WEEKS AGO I MADE A COMMENT ON THE REASONING BEHIND WHY CLUBS ALWAYS TRY TO JUSTIFY GETTING BIG BATS AS OPPOSED TO GOOD PITCHING. WHEN WE STARTED THE SEASON WE HAD A 40 PLUS WITH AN ARM PROBLEM AT THE END OF THE SEASON, A VETERAN WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN A 50 PERCENT PITCHER, A YOUNG OVERWORKED ARM AND SOMEONE WHO CAME FROM ANOTHER TEAM WHO’S DAYS ARE DONE. NOW A MONTH LATER WE STILL SEE THE SAME RESULTS NIGHT AFTER NIGHT. YOU WILL NEVER BEAT GOOD PITCHING. THERE WERE SOME BIG NAMES AVAILABLE AND OTHERS ARE BENEFITTING NICELY BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THIS IMPORTANCE ON A TEAM. BIG BATS BRING IN THE FANS AND I GUESS IT’S JUST A BUSINESS DECISION. I WISH SOMETIME THEY, THE OWNERS AND MANAGERS, WOULD LOOK AT IT IN A SENSIBLE WAY.

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