Dontrelle tweaks knee

Whoever wrote on here that they noticed Dontrelle Willis favoring his knee in Toledo on Friday was onto something. Apparently Willis aggravated his right knee when he fielded a ball along the third-base line during his rehab start. He threw his bullpen session this morning, but he will not start for the Mud Hens on Wednesday. Instead, he’ll throw a side session Friday or Saturday, and doctors and trainers will evaluate him from there.

As a formality, the Tigers have recalled Willis from his rehab assignment. That stops the clock on the 30 days he has to pitch in the Minors before he has to be activated from the DL.

UPDATE @ 5:30pm ET: Dontrelle says he did not tweak his knee. He said the Tigers are doing this as a precautionary measure to make sure he doesn’t to anything to hurt his arm. He said he threw his full bullpen session Sunday morning, but that he felt the same soreness in the knee that he has been feeling.

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A little off the subject, but have any of you heard anything on whether any of the Tigers players will be playing in the Olympics this summer?

Okay now, that was excellent. The hitters worked their ABs and got some hits, then JL kept the hammer down by starting some runners. Next thing you know, we’re getting the breaks too.
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That’s good baseball.
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–Rich

I have not heard anything on that. If I remember correctly, the only guy in the Tigers system who played for Team USA during their tour through the Arizona Fall League was Michael Hollimon, and he’s playing catch-up after his shoulder injury in spring training.

One good inning and these guys are ready to get on the plane for Detroit. The outcome of this game is very very much in doubt now.
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–Rich

6-5 now. Even if the Tigers get out of this inning I have no confidence they will win it if they don’t show some life and pick up a run or 2.

Geez…1 good inning, and it’s time to relax??? umm NO…they won’t be winning many games if they just score some runs early and then kick back and relax the rest of the game. come on!
Looks like Guillen’s error may have cost us the game, woops.

Disgusting

Cruceta looks good!
Let’s hope Guillen can make up for his error with a big hit right now.

I love Carlos Guillen as a player and person. Good teams will win with great defense and good pitching. We have neither. This team will not correct the ship with Guillen at third. Cabrera should have started the year in left, and Inge at third. Jaques Jones makes Nefi Perez look good. We Tiger fans better get used to his. We have the worst pitching in the Central. Six runs in the first frame, and lo and behold, Boof throws more pitches in the first inning than he throws in the next four. Batting discipline is a joke.
Still blleding Tiger Blue, but turning to crimson red fast.

Woops is right 9496. Before anyone blames Miner, it was the error that cost the Tigers this game. Not to mention the inability to add even one run to the 6. Having said that, I couldn’t understand the thinking in bringing in Miner with Cruceta in the pen. You could see the difference in the two.

Twins look very much alive. Our Tigers look quite the opposite. What a disappointing showing!

STUPID STUPID STUPID. I am so angry right know. You don’t almost want to know what I am thinking. First thing I am thinking is that after getting freaking Boof Bonsor for 6 in the first they just plain decided that they won the game and they could give away at bats. That is probably the worst sin of this game.
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Secondly Kenny pitched great. They’re hitters just looked aweful and he deserved a better fate than what he got.
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Guillen at third is just horrible and cost the Tigers this game. Along with that stupid artificial turf, and those cheap infield singles they got bouncing crap off of the turf.
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Going to game tomorrow night and frankly not looking forward to it. I have no faith in this team and have already felt like they haven’t given me my money’s worth or more importantly my time. I am completely embarressed for them today and if Leyland doesn’t blow a fuse with them today, I will be suprised. They totally gave this one away, but giving away those at bats. They are pathetic losers today.
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Can you tell I am furious??? STUPID STUPID STUPID.

Well stated David Tiger. Guess we’ve been “boofed”. Always wondered what that felt like.

By the way I thought the same thing. I know that Miner can throw the ball fast but lets face it he gets guys to hit a lot of things into the turf and that proved to be the enemy today. I my opinion as well why not give they’re hitters a different look with a guy that throws hard and can strike someone out (meaning Cruceta). I didn’t think that was very smart either. Infact I even said to my spouse before he did it why isn’t Cruceta warming up???? Nothing against Miner, he has his place, but to me it is in long relief or maybe when you need a double play. But not when you need a strikeout or a flyout.

Well hey there, Tiger fans! How do you like your team so far?
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We have a 6-0 lead then go down on five pitches in the second and I’m sitting there thinking we’re going to lose. How weird is that? No complaints about lucky Dome hits, this one stunk. One good inning and phone the rest in, right? What’s Leyland’s next chewing out going to get us, one good at bat?
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This ballclub stinks, plain and simple. They didn’t look good in spring training and they still don’t, two months later. I suppose they’ll make their usual run through interleague play and get everyone excited, but they won’t fool me. Bunch of lazy prima donnas is what I’m seeing. I give up. They’ll have to win me back now. No more defending these guys.
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Can anyone tell me why Santiago and Raburn sit on the bench constantly? Especially Santiago, you always get a good effort from Razor. Instead we get a daily dose of half-hearted efforts from these “professional” ballplayers. They look like the Detroit Lions.
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–Rich

Couldn’t of said it any better Rich. A bunch of premadonnas.
And why not play Raburn instead of stupid throw away bat Jaque Jones.
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Yesssss Rich. You have been so even keeled to this point. Kind of our anchor in this sea of madness. Feels good to let it out, doesn’t it?
Second you on Santiago and Raburn. I had blogged on this subject in Jason’s previous entry but it probably didn’t get read cause his new one was posted.
Time for some changes JL. You gotta find 9 guys who’ll play with some heart.
By the way, I don’t know where Verlander was coming from when he whined about Monroe flipping his bat. I didn’t see it. Then he threatens to (I assume) hit Craig the next time he faces him. That’s not the kind of heart I’m talking about.

Hopefully the last thing that I will say about this whole weekend is that Stupid me. For believing for one second that this team had something. They certianly fooled me. I guess most of the time you would look at a 500 road trip as a success or a least acceptable. But when you blow a game and don’t really show up the other two you have got to wonder, where there heart is. I think they think they can just throw their gloves and bats on the field and they are going to win.
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For every at bat they blow (and I mean give it away like they did this weekend) they should be fined money. I bet you then they wouldn’t be swinging at the first pitch after a guy throw 45 pitches the first inning and the second 5 pitches?? Really poor baseball and like Rich they are going to have to do an aweful lot to get me to believe in them again. I will always watch and of course cheer for them but to believe in their abilities to actually win something and be consistent is another.

A good meal of home fried chicken from my lovely wife has put me in a better mood, but doesn’t change my outlook regarding this team.
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Leyland doesn’t get let off the hook here either. As GK noted, bringing a sinkerball pitcher (Miner) into a situation in the Metrodome doesn’t seem very smart. If he can manage in a way that keeps Grilli from pitching at home, this one should have been simple.
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No, this outfit will have to earn their fans back now. There’s no one on this blog who can be called a bandwagon fan, and if this team wants support, they’d better start earning it. There aren’t enough hot dogs in Comerica to stop the booing that they’ll face if they don’t.
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–Rich

Sure is interesting when we seem to care a little bit more about winning and playing hard than the peoples who livelyhoods depend upon it. Oh ya most of them have long contracts. They don’t have to worry about that

Why are most of you complaining about the hitting??? Isn’t it the pitching that lost the game (+error). Isn’t it the pitching that is worst in baseball, or close??? I understand that they gave away at-bats, but since when is 6 runs not enough to win with good pitching and defense? How many runs are they expected to produce for a win?
Come on guys, it’s the pitching and the defense!!!

Here’s my solution–Guillen bats third as DH, Sheffield quits and Inge plays third base.

Next, they find at least two guys on the team who will perform well as set-up guys. I don’t think they know who to go to when they are winning right now.

Beyond that, the starters go to some sort of self-help conference and come back able to do what they are supposed to do–pitch decently!

Steve, I saw an aggressive Minnesota infield and a slow Tiger one. That playing field favors or disfavors both teams equally. Why do we always complain about it? I saw a very good effort by Rogers go down the tubes because of an inability to pile on more runs and then I saw a huge error that ultimately cost the game. Where did the pitching fail today? It was adequate at the very least.

Steve, I’ll have to disagree with you here, buddy. Rogers pitched a good game and was done in by Guillen’s error which should have ended that inning. After that, it was a lot of balls beaten into the dirt that created Metrodome hits and opportunities for the Twins. Even Mauer’s gamewinner was beat into the dirt in front of the plate.
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Actually, your post hit upon the problem today when you asked how many runs are expected to produce a win. This is how the Tiger hitters looked at it, that six runs was enough and it was okay to take the rest of the day off. With nine innings yet to play, this is an unacceptable approach to take. With eight more turns coming up, they couldn’t have picked up a lousy three runs somewhere?
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I think they’ve had nine consecutive good outings from the starters, but now they’ve discovered other ways to lose. It’s just a losing team right now. I don’t see any way to fix it, other than just having good performances as a team. We’re not getting that. Guillen doesn’t like to hit third OR DH, so he’d go into the tank, and he’s one of the few who has the proper plate approach. If Inge plays third, you can bet he’d come to bat time and again with the game on the line and fail. It’s just a losing team. There’s no spark, no sense of urgency, everyday is just another day at the office. They are a mismatched set of players and they DON’T FIND WAYS TO WIN.
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–Rich

I also have to disagree who heartedly. Rogers was exceptional today. The pitching did not do this team in today or yesterday. It was lousy approaches at the plate and ultimately an error by our third baseman?? They play with no heart, which is something they had in spades in 2006. You never would of seen that team throwing away the games like they have this year. In fact I will go even as far to say that they were a less talented team of guys. But what they did play was with a sense of urgency and heart most days. And they played most every game like it was there last.
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I will never forget the weekend that we played Cleveland at home and of Friday night there was a walk off home run to left off of Monroe I believe. I was in right field and I tell yo I felt the stands shaking so many were jumping up and down. Then the next night they came back in the nineth off of a homerun by Pudge. I don’t see the same kind of focus or heart from this team so far. That is were they are lacking.
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I think that Verlander preseason was picked by some to be the Cy-Young winner, so he doesn’t have to try anymore. Do you all realize he has lost only one less game this year than he did all of last??? And other than a few of the hitters, (Curtis) who goes out there every at bat like it is the game on the line??? No one.
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No it wasn’t the pitching today, not by a long shot. It is curious that Leyland always talks about putting guys into situations for them to succeed. To me Leyland (who I think is great) put Miner in the game in a situation where he might have a hard time succeding. And knowing that Mauer is hitting lefties better than he hits righties giving him to Bobby Seay. These are not putting guys into the best situations to succeed. In my humble over enthusiastic, overly invested in the ballclub opinion.

WOW, I just got home from northern Michigan and read all the comments. I listened to the game on the way down and got home just in time to see MC stike out. I sure do miss Zoom. Hey, why not try Guillen if left. Do you think Justin is frustrated they don’t score runs for him? Inge should paly third, Santiago, short. Defense and pitching wins games,, not home runs and runs scored. Oh yea, where is our pitching or relief pitching. Maybe put Raburn behind the plate and Curtis should hit third!!!
Go Tigers!!!
–Dave

Uh, I didn’t say that Rogers pitched badly, I only said that the biggest problem the Tigers have is pitching/defense. If you want to talk about the mental side, that applies to everything and is a lot harder to quantify.

A couple of stats that support my position:

Tigers’ ERA 13 out of 14 in AL

Second most walks given up in AL.

Need I say more?

Back from NY where I was impressed but still unimpressed. They won 3 but it was agains a weakened and troubled Yankee team.
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The Minnesota. I watced the first few innings today in an airport and thought why aren’t they hitting Bonser. Pudge was brutal and still got a base after whiffing. Got home and saw they lost the game and wasn’t that surprised.
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What I saw in Ny was punctuated today. Guillen can’t play 3rd. I was afraid there would be some painful learning curve but I must say it is pretty clear he can’t play there.
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The team is dysfunctional right now. Pitchig fielding hitting–you name it.
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Good to see Polanco hitting again but Sheffield looke bad 90% of the time in NY (where he was lustily booed–also by some of the Tiger fans around me I maight add).
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Missed all of th Minny games except the first 3 innings today. A good team should be able to take a sweep at Yankee Stadium and turn it into something more than a letdown.
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meanwhile leyland is talking about shaking up the lineup and sounding like he is surprised with the lack of team speed and such. Weird!
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Just bat Ordonez 3rd and Cabrera 4t–then see what happens. Get rid of Sheffield. And make up your mind about 3rd base.
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The fans will tire of this real quick.

The bottom line here is that this team is not exceptionally good at any part of the game right now. The infield defense is in shambles. We all know the problem is what to do with Carlos Guillen. As good as this line up CAN be I don’t believe they can afford to live without Guillen in the lineup. BUT his defense is just terrible, no matter where they put him. With the way Sheffield is right now you’d almost want Guillen as your DH and Inge back at third. But we all know that won’t happen.
Jacque Jones is playing because he’s a left handed bat. How Thames continues to get limited playing time behind some of these guys is beyond me. He made two great defensive catches in left the other night and his bat is way better than Jones’. Of course, many of us have been saying this for years about Thames.
I’ll be the first to say that I love Renteria and Cabrera, but I fear that by dealing for them the Tigers mortgaged the future of thier pitching staff. Next year Rogers will likely be gone and leave a hole in the rotation. Dontrelle, I don’t believe, will ever come close to being the pitcher he was the first couple of years of his career. This team is just one big mess right now…

There was a time in my life when a game like todays’ would have bothered me for hours. Don’t get me wrong, I still follow the Tigs on a daily basis. I just can’t emotionally back these guys like I have other Tiger teams. Does anyone see any player on this team that has the heart and fire of a Kirk Gibson or a Jack Morris? We just got our butts kicked by a bunch of punch and judy hitters, not once but three times!!! You have to give the Twins credit, they played each game for nine innings, unlike our boys. You are right, Rich, these guys are going to have to go a long way to earn back our support. A good start would be a whipping of Dice-K, but at this point how many of you think that’s possible?

I feel like so far, this year has been a huge let down. A couple of good wins for us and then a few good butt kickings for the other teams. And I do mean embarassing butt kickings. It is so discouraging to watch our players just go up to the plate and do absolutely nothing.
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I have to agree that our pitching, though not perfect, has been more than sufficient to win these games. Our starters have improved tremendously since the start of the season. Too bad we have no consistancy in the hitting aspect of the game. And the amount of errors that we are seeing is just uncalled for.
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Frustration………….what do we as spectators do with it????
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Steve, taking the whole season into account, yes you are right. I just think you picked the wrong game to state your case. Tiger starters have improved over the past 10 games or so and today Kenny pitched very well. Yes, pitching and defense are the keys to true winning teams. The Tigers are ranked 13th in pitching and 11th in defense. Those are bad stats….hitting is not going to overcome them. Looks like the Tigers are ranked 5th in hitting average and higher still in the power figures, but I think those numbers misrepresent what we are generally seeing here in the day to day games. Yes their power and hitting talents surface every so often but they cannot manufacture runs consistantly when they really need just one or two to turn a game around. They’re not doing the fundamental things necessary like stealing bases, working counts, moving guys along. How many times have they stranded guys on 3rd with less than 2 outs? Too many. But the teams they’re playing seem to be finding ways.

No question most of the turf bounces went the Twins way but this game never should have come down to turf hits. Lack of good at bats, working counts, a game plan, kept the Tigers off the board after the first inning. Just hack away cause sooner or later it’ll all fall into place….riiiiight. The Twins out played our guys 3 straight, and for a good deal less cost. They have a good BP and a lineup that, while not as strong as the Tigers on paper, has the greater ability to generate a run when they need it. Their infield is quicker; at least it appears that way. Inge and Santiago could change that but doubtful Renteria and Guillen are going to languish on the bench, nor should they.

Am beginning to wonder if Shef and Jones become the scape goats. They are both under the Mendosa line as some people call it, and the Tigers seem to have a veritable log jam of potential DHers. Caledonia, at first glance some of your suggestions look….well….nuts. But further thinking about them, they make at least some sense.

Good to hear from you Dan. Dysfunctional is exactly right. As fans, we are already well into the “tire” mode. No question, losses like this, generate better blogs though. It’s a shame it has to be that way but it is.

ok so i’ve stayed out of the fray this weekend, mostly cuz i’m sick, but also because….. not much to say other than whats been said all season.
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what can i add to this, you may all be wondering….. well…………
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(ahem)
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sheffield either needs to retire, or get placed in the 9hole.
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jjones needs to retire, get traded, go to the minors, go SOMEWHERE ELSE
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thames/raburn need to platoon left.
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guillen needs to be taken off the field. DH time pal.
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JL needs to stop this 5th inning LF switcheroo.
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my lineup-
grandy CF
polly 2B
MC HAMMER 1B
ordonez RF
guillen DH
renteria/santiago SS
thames/raburn LF
inge 3B
rodriguez C
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to hell with the LHB vs RHB scheme. it isn’t working right now anyways. oh and if guillen isn’t DHing, put inge in 6hole and sheff in 8.
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also, if i was the manager, i’d encorporate some kind of hazing in the locker room for any player that got more than one strike out and less than two hits :)
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pitching coach should go home and retire. hitting coach is a joke. they need to bring chris farley’s ghost into the locker room as a motivational speaker ‘i live in a VAN down by the RIVER’
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yeah so there it is.
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mike

And the posts just keep on coming. :-)
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Before I forget, DAN. I only saw two guys in Yankee Stadium that could have come even close to being you. One guy on Wednesday wore a cap that said All-Star Game and a guy on Thursday who received a cellphone call while on camera.
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Something I noticed in Lakeland in March: Miguel Cabrera, playing thirdbase just a few feet away from me, just didn’t seem to have his head in the game. He kept scanning the stands between pitches, as if looking for somebody. My wife and I even wondered if he had family or friends behind us somewhere, it was that noticeable. I’m seeing now that this is his usual level of concentration. Just thought I’d toss that in.
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Tomorrow a lineup shuffle with the same guys? Heck, why not. Will it make a difference? No. They’ll either show up to play or they won’t. The batting order won’t matter. But if I may take a moment to run down the lineup that’s been in all the newspapers and websites since December, and what we’ve seen so far:
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Granderson – good as ever, out with an injury

Polanco – back problems, now coming along, solid

Sheffield – injuries, poor hitting, doesn’t have a position

Ordonez – solid and steady, needs help from mates

Cabrera – low concentration level, doesn’t have a position

Guillen – good ABs, good hitter, doesn’t have a position

Renteria – smooth SS, streaky hitter

Rodriguez – no plate discipline, rally killer, on and off defense

JJones – a total mess at the plate
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The winner is “doesn’t have a position.” Moving to the bench:
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Inge – can play nearly anywhere, has fallen into old hitting habits, rally killer

Thames – not enough PT to judge, 30 homer possibility

Raburn – not enough PT to judge, brings his best

Santiago – strong defense at 3 positions, better hitter than credited for, can do different things at the plate, brings his best
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The winner is “not enough PT to judge” and “brings his best.”
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I don’t know, what do you all think of these late night ramblings?

Oh, I didn’t do pitchers because it’s getting late. I have to work a full day tomorrow because I’m not allowed to take most of a day off and still get paid. Unlike some guys I’ve been watching lately.
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Marty, you seem to have hit the nail on the head. You have a well-thought out analysis (certainly better than mine!), and I understand your frustration with the hitting. But to me, it doesn’t seem so bad. That’s the kind of team they built. They are gonna have two or three game stretches where they produce about 2 or 3 runs. That’s because they built a power hitting team, not a cheap run-producing team.

I still believe in the end, it’s gonna come down to the pitching. Also, I don’t think they can keep Guillen at 3rd. He’s gotta DH. Where else is there left he can go??? And Sheff looks finished, bless his heart.

Hopefully I can improve my typos now that I am back on to my “home” computer. Last post was a real mess sorry about that.
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It’s actually getting deep into the season now and JL really needs to either find an intelligent way or a miracle, to get the club clicking. It may be re-stating the obvious, but I think part of the problem is not having a good mix of talent and youthful exhuberance.
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Sheffield and Jones have definitely hurt the team. But I think a large part of the blame falls on our catcher. Pudge only seems to be animated when HE (and that has been rare), does something to contribute. He sulks after his numerous strikeouts and it is disgusting to see him pout and walk off the field even if the 3rd strike is dropped. He struck out yesterday and did make it to 1st but he HAD to run that one out because it got very far away from Mauer.
I think he is also making life a little tougher on his starters because of his persoanl complaining to the umps during his own bad ABs.
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The starters shoulder a lot of the blame here too. There are times when they show flashes of old form but they are simply giving up too many runs. Even if the hitters did not go comatose like they seem to do.
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Guillen at 3rd has been and will be a failed experiment. That is a position that requires an intensity to be sucessful. He is far too casual and nonchalant in his fielding approach to make it work there. I don’t think he would make a good DH and I don’t think he could play LF, so I think the only answer is at 1B. If he could figure out how to play the bag I think he would do quite well there. One great thing about Carlos is that he is a very smart ballplayer and person. I don’t think he will beat his head against the wall doing the imposible or hurting the team like we have seen with Sheffield.
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I think it is also necessary to draw a line in the sand re Jones in LF. I would have had Thames in there and give him a chance to really play. Beyond deserving the opportunity, he would at least provide some production.
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I don’t know if Cabrera would acept a move to LF. He would be brutally slow out there anyway. He seems to me like he can play 3rd OK. I think we shold not forget we were comparing him to Inge and that just will never happen. I think he is bit better than adequate there because of his arm. And I also think he needs to be away from the opposing base runners and base coaches as he is inclined to make it a social event and leads to lack of focus. Good to see him having fun but this club needs to be able to recognize and implement a mission. They need some intensity and determination.
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And we always have Clete Thomas down there in Toledo!
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For all of JL’s alleged “shakeup” and his statement that it won’t involve personnel changes—I don’t believe it. Grilli will not be the only one to go.

Dan, are you saying to swap Guillen and Cabrera back?? Wouldn’t that appear as clueless desperation? I don’t think Guillen can play third either, in fact, he doesn’t appear to be able to play anything all of a sudden. He lacks the intensity, the quickness and he throws the ball in the dirt about half the time, causing Cabby to dive in the dirt because HE doesn’t know how to play first either. I agree it’s a failed experiment, but what does it say to just swap them back?
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I don’t understand all this difficulty with learning firstbase. Thames did it in one spring, more or less. It looks like a lack of interest by Carlos.
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This is why I mentioned earlier that this is a group of mismatched players. We can’t get them all in the lineup without creating glaring defensive weaknesses.
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JJones, everyone cries for a LH bat. We get one and he falls flat on his face. We let both Casey and Stairs go for free. Casey would have been thrilled to stay here as a backup, and I seem to remember commenting that he’d be needed before all was said and done. Youth and pitching has been traded away. There have been some bad personnel decisions made here, in the interests of building the “perfect” ballclub.
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I maintain the bottom line is lack of effort. Too many old pros just doing their jobs. Now perhaps this is the kind of club that can pace itself and suddenly turn it on in the second half and roar into the postseason. If that happens, we’ll all look back at this and laugh.
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So Dan, you weren’t either of the guys I mentioned on TV?
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–Rich

97.1 says J. Jones has been released………… Maybe Guillen or Cabrera will be in Left after all. LOL. Maybe it will be Thames. I guess this is a wait and see game.

They called up Matt Joyce…….any stats on him?

Heard that to and before I could get signed in I heard the thing about Joyce. Except what I heard was he also wasn’t that great as far as the hitting. I will look it up myself and report back. Question, what about Raburn?? What is their fascination with the left handed bat.

Stat on Joyce.
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299 avg
6 doubles
1 triple
5 HR’s
21 RBI’s
11 BB
27 Strikeouts
2 Stolen bases
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Bats left and throws right

Joyce has hit .389 in his last ten games. Has some pop, strikes out a ton.
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I wonder what a JJones/Grilli package would have brought?
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–Rich

So Dan you were right, Grilli wasn’t the only one to go. Did you have any inside info on that?
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The roller Coaster ride continues! Hang on everyone!!!!!!!!
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It will be interesting to see if Joyce is in the line-up for tonight. We used Cruceta the day he came up and for two more days in a row after that. Which is alittle odd for a pitcher,

if he got released, than i am going to go buy a 12 pack and celebrate cinco de mayo.
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and espn transactions lists him as being designated for assignment………
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either way…. i’m happy. clears up room for an actual HITTER in the lineup. whoever that may be.
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rich- JJones/grilli would’ve brought to commerica, a couple packs of hot dogs, and maybe a pitcher of beer.
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Just got word Jacque Jones was released……

That is correct…………

Sorry, I see it has already been announced on here. Yippee

Ok now they are saying that Sheff will be our LF player. Can’t really say that I am thrilled with that but hey a shake up is a shake up! We’ll have to see how it goes!

shrug, maybe it’ll do sheff some good to get off the bench and quit overthinking his next AB.
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cuz that what he looks like he’s doing, body language, swings, behavior, all screams of thinking to much. my kid has the same problem, overthinking overthinking, over analyzing, just go out there and hit. nothing else matters, just you and the pitcher. everything else is in the past, everything to come is in the future. (no i’m not running a barack obama camPAIN either… LMAO)
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mike

Now just hooold up a minute. There’s a big difference between being released and being designated for assignment. DFA means he has to clear waivers before being sent to the minors. If a team claims him, a trade is quite often made. Release is what we did with Casey. Got nothing back. Let me remind you we got Clay Rapada for Craig Monroe in similar circumstances.
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I’m more interested in this Sheffield rumor. If he plays the outfield, that frees up the DH spot. It can be rotated like I suggested a few days ago. This would be a good move. Not to sound harsh, but if Sheff goes out there and gets injured, well. so be it. We need more flexibility. An added bonus could be that it does wake Gary up a little.
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–Rich

Correction to above: JJones probably has refusal rights on going to the minors, so if he clears waivers without a trade happening, I suppose he is then released.
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And tonight’s lineup is different indeed. Pudge has finally worked his way down to the nine hole. Sheffield hits in front of Joyce. That won’t get him many hittable pitches, so he may be on base all night long.
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Anyone ever consider Granderson hitting third?
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–Rich

You are correct, Jones has been DFA not an outright release. And I think Granderson batting third is a wonderful idea!

Homer Simpson would have gone for that deal Mike:)

Well JJ seemed like a good guy, and you hate to see him fail but what are you gonna do? Nuff’s e’nuff. I knew he would be the fall guy for this mess. Unfortunately, deservedly so.

So….why Joyce and not Thomas? Does it have something to do with not wanting to waste options if it’s a short term move?

Rich, the high road would be to admit a mistake and switch Carlos and Miguel back. It would be an improvement but still not the ultimate answer. This is all getting very interesting but there is an element of frustration that we can’t get around.

This team has talent but is mismatched as you have stated. Sometimes I have difficulty clearly stating the point I’m trying to get across, but to me the acquisitions this past winter, while bringing in a ton of talent, were not well thought out. This reflects on management. Look at all the displacements that have occurred. Can you blame Carlos for his play? Where must his head be since he basically lost his position? He’s gone through a series of experiments none of which have worked. I’ll argue, as I already have more than once, that Renteria was an unnecessary trade. Slight upgrade at short, but very similar player to Carlos with less power. We gave away Jurrjens. I almost forgot, my guy Santiago would have filled in great at SS. I would have given him the chance in a second to be the starter and see what he could do as an everyday player. He would cover noticeably more ground than Renteria or Guillen, and add a different dimension to the offense. Successful teams have a good combination of speed and power. This team doesn’t, or it would at least appear so at this point.

Then the Jones acquisition. Thames could have filled in nicely in LF. But we just had to have a LHB didn’t we. I’m sure there are a few young players in the farm system that could have been brought up anyway…. Like somebody with some speed.

Then we trade 6 prospects for Willis and Cabrera. Cabrera was a great addition but we didn’t need Willis. We already had 2 LH starters. That trade could have been downsized. One or two of those 6 might just turn out to be good players.

Who’s next on the chopping block? OK, there’s not much to be done with the pitching. I think they have the best 12 that they can muster right now anyway. Maybe Sheff?

What I would do at this point is first, stop with the endless experimentation. Please not Miguel in LF…please! Bring Clete back, somehow at least get Thames and Santiago some real playing time, and lastly Get Inge back on 3rd as much as possible. I don’t like him catching. Try Raburn there. When and IF Wilson gets back, well lets just say I’m looking forward to it. I’ll tell you, we can’t say how much Pudge has meant to this team’s turn around, but right now his hitting approach is hurting. Actually it doesn’t exist. Sheesh, I hate dissing a future hall of famer who’s done so much for this team. But that’s the way it is. I have more faith that something good will happen with Sheff in the batters box by far, than when Pudge is in it.

Dysfunctional, mismatched team right now, combining Dan’s and Rich’s words.

Well that’s my 2 cents as it has been since winter. I hope this team gets it together and figures it all out.

Although we’ve started a new thread, Marty, I’m going to answer you here and leave the new one for the usual in-game gnashing of teeth. :-)
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I thought the Renteria deal was a mistake, as I’ve said here about a million times. The Infante-Jones swap I actually liked. I’d have never guessed Jacque could be this bad. The Casey release was a big mistake. To be fair, I don’t think they’d have done some of these transactions if they had known they’d be getting Cabrera. That one just kind of popped up after the fact. The net result of that deal, as it’s played out, is similar to the Yankees when they sign a big name free agent that they don’t really need “just because they can.”
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The thing with the Cabrera trade, of course, is that it’s not just about this particular season. He’ll be in the middle of things for years to come, when both of us have become (become?) old. Hopefully DD will be able to build a team around him and we’ll stay competitive.
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And the best reality show in the world goes running on.
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–Rich

OK as usual I write a long blog and by the time I’m finished it’s history. OK fine…Sheff in LF. Eh eh…guess he wasn’t on the chopping block after all. Maybe it will help his hitting. He’s actually fun to watch play. At least it’s something, but again, another EXPERIMENT! Like the chemistry sets we had as kids….just keep adding more chemicals til something turns green or blows up.

Released, designated for assignment, outrighted, inrighted…..full steam ahead.

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