Cabrera to first base, Guillen to third

That's going to be a full-time shift, manager Jim Leyland announced after the game. Guillen said it wasn't a big surprise. Cabrera said he's cool with it.

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I’m not surprised with the move, and I think it’s a good one. I was getting worried about Guillen on that bag and Cabby’s range/errors at 3rd could also be better. I’m interested in how Inge is taking this and what he has to say.

guillen was going to get himself killed at first. i seen this move coming a mile away, though i didn’t expect guillen to get put to the hot corner, if they were worried about leg/knee issues, it seems like a strange move, as a 3B needs to have a lot of range and quick, damaging movements to legs.
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i like it when i’m right though :) predicting MC hammer to be at 1B in his future. just didn’t expect, the future to be some 12 hours later. he has better technique though…. hope it all works out, i suspect we’ll see the same amount of errors from guillen as we did cabrera, if not more, as cabrera has a few years EXP being 3B than guillen. but the same time, A-rod made the transistion to 3B “decently.”
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inge must know that his time in the D is done on an everyday basis. even getting the starting time to produce this year to raise his own trade value, hasn’t accomplished all that much. though he’s been relatively consistant as opposed to most the other starters.
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mike

Before I get to the “major announcement”…..the game itself.
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Padilla had been tough on the Tigers, so it was good to bust him up a little.
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JJones demonstrated the swing I remember from Minnesota, especially that second blast. I thought he was about to break out after he drew that walk in his first AB and said so at the time. Now he’s probably wondering why it had been so hard previously. :-) The decision on Clete Thomas just got tougher. I’ve enjoyed watching the kid play.
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I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a manager as good as Leyland when it comes to putting a player into a position to succeed. 10-2 in the ninth, so he brings Grilli in to close out the game. In Comerica. Walk off the mound with the game ball. Beautiful.
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Verlander was strong. 109 pitches in six, but I’m beginning to wonder how pitchers are supposed to get into the seventh under 100 pitches. If that’s the limit, I expect six most of the time. If that’s the way they want to play it……..
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Meanwhile, everybody continues to say that Ramon Santiago can’t hit and all he’s done for two years is……hit. It’s because he doesn’t try to do too much, stays within himself. And he’s always ready to play. I have Tigers I like, Tigers that are favorites, but only one Tiger is “my boy” and that’s Ramon.
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“The Big Switcheroo” well…………better to be shocked tonight than tomorrow, as JL says. Not sure why. :-) Cabrera looked comfortable at first, although I didn’t see him have to make any difficult plays. I think Guillen hated it, really. If there’s anyone who doesn’t remember, Carlos played some third before coming to Detroit. We’ll have to see how this goes. I may be getting really out there with this comment, but Cabby may enjoy the social aspects of playing firstbase more. You constantly have visitors to talk to and I don’t think Carlos cared if he had someone to visit with or not. Speaking for myself, I always liked being on the receiving end of a great infield play, and I saw that in Cabrera over the weekend.
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Someone wondered what Inge would think. I don’t know, does that matter? At any rate, he’ll probably get more time at third this way.
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–Rich

Smart move, IMO.

Nice game.

A couple of stats:

Tigers pitching is last in ERA and Walks in the AL. They got a good game out of Verlander, and I believe he and Bonderman will contribute. Rogers, Robertson, and Willis are question marks. I, for one, think Dontrelle will give us a lot of innings and win 12 or so. Just my feeling, but it’s based on his success in the past.

Hope the pitching, especially SP can just be average at least, instead of the worst in the league…

Good game and shocking announcement. I’ll give JL credit for not being timid but my first reaction to this move is that I am not wild about it.
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I think Cabrera would have improved at 3B and whatever is said about him there- he started a lot of DPs (more than Brandon) and has a truly stron arm. That arm will be wasted at 1B and Guillen’s arm from 3B will be an experiment. He showed us last year how his throws can dip and dive (we had Casey to gobble those up). I think he is going to struggle at 3B and he now has to direct his attention to learning another position. That could affect his hitting.
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Like I say, I am surprised by the move but we’ll have to accept it and hope for the best. If it makes Carlos and Miguel both happy then it’s a plus but we’re gonna have some fielding gaffes to deal with at the corners for awhile and I am gonna keep my fingers crossed. It may be a little hard to watch at times as we were a just recently spoiled with Inge and Casey.

I bet I know a couple of other Tiger Fans who might not like the move so much….Mike Hessman and Jeff Larish. Larish looked like he might be gettting some attention as a possible LHB and now he seems relegated to AAA for quite some time yet. I’m sure his career path has slowed with Cab playing 1st instead of Carlos.
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I think Brandon is going to get his nose out of joint all over again, but like Rich, who cares? JL doesn’t as he has openly stated his disbelief in “chemistry”!!
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Who knows–Carlos might prove to be a hot shot at the hot corner. As a former SS/and then 3B myself, I would have to agree that a move from short to third is far more palatable from his perspective as well.
Good luck Carlos, if anyone can do it it would be him.

Looks like Marcus will have to consider picking up a catcher’s mitt if he wants some playing time.

Clinton wins the Pennsylvania primary, Delta Airlines takes over Northwest Airlines, and the Capitals fall to the Flyers in OT. The question is, what does all this mean to Brandon Inge? Honestly, it makes me think of Al Franken’s old bit where everything that happened in the world was judged by how it affected him, Al Franken. Brandon could still be traded if he’s hitting. If he’s hitting. As it is, he may see even more time at third.
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Although JL says this move is permanent, that doesn’t mean it’s actually permanent. What this does is give him even more flexibility with his players. So much so that most managers would have to be playing a video game to have this much flexibility with their lineups.
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Except for the step and a dive to the right play, most throws from thirdbase are shorter than the ones from shortstop. I’m waiting to see how Cabrera handles difficult plays at first before deciding if this is a good move or not.
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–Rich

Mike, I thought about the same thing when I first read this – Guillen’s knees. Although, as Rich stated, there isn’t quite as much movement over at 3B as there is at SS. I also agree with you Rich, that Guillen will enjoy being at 3B more than 1B. As far as MCab, he seems to be a team player and as long as he is playing he is cool with where ever he is playing. I think with MCab’s agility ‘issues’ this will work better for him and also agree that this will extend his career by a few years.

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Nice win by Verlander as well. Nice to also see some more HR’s from Big Mags and MCab. With Grandy coming back (hopefully tonight) and Polanco right behind him, this should be nice. Should also see Sheff in the next day or two.

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I am also excited to see that Cruceta is doing well in Toledo. He is much needed until Zoom returns. Then we will have three to go to in the later innings.

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Go Tigers – let’s make it 3 in a row tonight!

If Cruceta is all that, we’ll need him soon. Starting a week from today, there are 10 of 13 games against the Yankees and Red Sox. We’ll need quality pitchers and a lot of them during that stretch. We’re supposed to be able to compete with those teams, so it’s important to hold serve and win at least seven of those games. After that, we’re into May and June is interleague month, a month the Tigers have dominated the past two years. This is the path back into contention.
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–Rich

I’m not sure how I feel about this. Cabrera needs some work at first base before we can be sure, I guess. I’m hoping this move will alow more playing time for Brandon Inge, though. I think Jim has a good idea, trying to get his players more diverse and able to play different positions. It will help them out in the future in case of injuries and whatnot.

Yeah, and we should keep in mind that there is another guy down there, Baline Neal, who has been pretty effective.
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He got his 6 th save today and has now pitched 8 innings with no runs 2 walks and 13 strikeouts.
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Larish hit #6 today and has only 24 Ks in 19 games. (All right there is a little sacrcasm there, I know). So the team leader is Clevlen with 25. Man, wouldn’t it be nice if some of these talents could do something about swinging and missing?
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I’ve been wondering why Granderson’s legs are giving him trouble. I would have figured the bike and some sprinting would have kept his legs in pretty good shape. I mean at least good enough that it hasn’t become a media issue.
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I think we will be seeing Cruceta pretty soon if he has another good outing tomorrow.
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I’m not sure who’s idea it was on our BLOG to put Robertson in the bullpen, but you know it has a lot of merit. Particularly if Willis shows a return to his previous premium starter type numbers of a few years ago.
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I think Nate can still be a decent starter though. He just needs to learn how to bear down with 2 strikes and agains LHB. If he could avoid the “1 bad inning” syndrome he could become a .500+ pitcher in the bigs who eats up lots of innings and throws from the port-side. That’s a commodity to have for sure.

Dan, I agree with you on Granderson’s legs. I would have thought they would be ok and his hand/grip/arm strength would the issue.

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Jason, there wasn’t anything wrong with Grandy’s legs as well, was there?

His legs must be good enought to walk up to the plate in the bottom of the first. He’s in the lineup and Clete has been sent down. Clete is down not out. He’ll be back and was a very pleasant surprise wasn’t he?

He was that, Dan. He not only did well, but it was fun to watch him. He’ll be back soon.
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In my previous post, I meant to say that Detroit needs to win five of the ten with Boston/New York. I accidentally included the Minnesota games into my total.
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–Rich

that sucks for clete. would’ve rather seen JJones go byebye rather than send down one of the guys that has at least been producing…… .295 average compaired to JJones what, .208? makes no sense.
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thames should’ve/could’ve platooned LF with thomas.
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why doesn’t JL let marcus bat?
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Makes all the sense in the world. JJones is a veteran with a proven track record. Although it seems as if he’s been struggling forever, it’s not even the end of April yet. Leyland will give a guy like Jacque every opportunity to get it going. IMO, he’s about to do just that. Clete, on the other hand, needs a lot of playing time and he’s still learning. He’ll be back, sooner rather than later. That is one good young ballplayer.
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I think Marcus would be in there more if he raised a fuss about it, but he’s not that kind of guy. Squeaky wheel and all that.
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–Rich

IMO, i’d rather have a ‘struggling’, ‘learning’, LF guy that’s not going through the motions of a slump, but winds up getting the hits that either move the runners or RBI. not sure the actual stats, as i don’t really feel like looking em up, but clete has done a better job. hits the ball with more authority. even if its a flyout, at least he banged the crap outta the ball. i can’t even tell you the number of flyouts he’s had at the track. and for that matter, with the exception of last night, with the triple JJ had, i can’t remember anything he’s done to show me potential.
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people in this blog whine about the ‘age’ of the team, and ‘veteran’ injuries, yet everyone is so quick to dismiss one of the better hitters on our squad, as ‘just another minor leaguer making his debut.’ i dont see it that way at all, and i wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him in toledo making starts in LF rather than center, as LF in the bigs for the Tigers is suspect. not a whole lot of difference between LF and CF when it comes to the pros. only difference is hitting SS as cutoff not 2B.
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idk. i’m disappointed with clete being send down. the tigers can’t wait around forever for their hitters to start hitting and as a result, proven talent gets sent down. maybe with maybin gone, clete can finally grab the eye and attention of upper management that he very well deserves and next year he may well be out starting LF (assuming Grandy isn’t rushing his rehab, with these ‘leg cramp’ problem that forced him out of a game today, just to show up to the tigers and be inserted in the lineup late.)
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lets all hope and pray whatever is wrong with CG’s leg is just an anomaly from not playing the last month. the TIgers need him, and he needs the Tigers.
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that being said, i’ll go back to my original point. no LF has played better than clete thomas this year. and yes, i’m well aware the CT played center. CF LF, whats the difference besides cutoff man. not much. a lot less field to cover, a lot more plays at 2B and 3B and Home (depending on arm strength) but otherwise, no difference. do i trust JJones to effectively backup Guillen at 3rd? no i dont. the tigers will have to prove otherwise.
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mike

Let’s hope no one throws at Curtis.
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I’m with Rich on the JJ/Thomas issue. Thomas needs to play regularly. Jones has hit .300 in the bigs before, Thomas hasn’t. Jones may, and I emphasize the word “may”, be coming out of the horrid batting headspace he was in.
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Clete is exciting and he will an important player for the club and maybe even sooner than September. But he still has things to learn. DD and JL also need to justify the JJ acquistion. Another factor here is it is a little more comfortable for JL to tell Marcus to sit against a RHP with a proven MLB playing instead of a rookie. Thames has taken a back seat for too long and I think that would be just a tad presumptious to expect him to handle that situation diplomatically.
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I’m gonna miss Clete and I am not a huge Jacque Jones fan but I think this was clearly the right move–expecially considering options versus release.

geez Kenny quit throwing strikes! I was surprised to see Guillen at 1B after the announcement yesterday. Carlos being nonchalant again. I remember earlier this year he dropped a throw right to him from Cabrera. Mr. Casual won’t be able to defend his position like that when he’s playing 3B.
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The WP they gave Kenny on that was almost bogus. It was not a great pitch but Pudge has to drop to his knees and smothe that ball. Not sure what JL was doing earlier this year at spring training –maybe skipped the fundamentals part for all veterans!

mlbtv not working so far, i’m reduced to gameday, and i’m getting a little irritated. i dont like paying for a service that doesn’t work. doesn’t whine about blackouts like it did the toronto game.

Well talk about bad breaks. Dropped DP ball and a cheap, no hustle base hit added to the 2 runs (at least one should have been unearned. Rogers is not getting the breaks but this is what happens when you throw strikes but don’t have an “out” pitch. Sometimes he has one but not tonight.
Todd Jones is very similar at times.

That’s one of those archaic rules in the book that will never be changed. The “can’t assume a double play” official scoring. I don’t think it is right. I think it should be a scorer’s decisiion to use his judgement on that play. There’s nothing better the pitcher can do in those situations than to induce a ground ball and then to get penalized for it to his ERA just ‘ain’t fair”.
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Inge has to come through here.

Carlos Enigma did it again. Rattles one off his knee then drillone off the wall but can’t make it to 2nd because he was hobbled up. Then he proceeds to steal 2nd instead.
Nice to see him hitting again and he is a treat to watch. It’s never boring out there with him that’s for sure.
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Pudge, arrggghh. I don’t have confidence in him in those situations. I know he can come back and go 4 for 4 but he just does not come through often enough in those RBI situations with less than 2 out.

What is going on with these guys? Guillen, Santiago and Renteria dropping balls right to them. Kenny must be shakin’ his head wondering what he did to have such bad Kharma today..
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I actually can understand Santiago in that he was trying to hurry and he is playing the ball from a different angle than he is used to. Was surprised to see Renteria bobble that one though. It ended up not hurting but this team has to get it’s infield together. This is supposed to be a part of their game that should be helping not hurting.

Well, let’s just say Kenny does not have it tonight and get somebody warming up eh?

i’m still annoyed that mlbtv isn’t working for me. real annoyed. not even gameday audio. ugh

That was jsut awful. Not missing much Mike. What is the problem you are having–signning in?

Rapada did an excellent job of pithcing to a dangerous hitter.

If you are having trouble with the login try loggin in right from mlbtv.com then selecting your game. It worked for me earlier. If that doesn’t work call them at 866-800-1275.
They have pretty good customer support

it doesn’t evne give me an option of logging in, just the blank mlbtv screen with choices of 4, 8 or 1.2
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this is the 4th time in less than a month i’ve been unable to view the games, one not mlbtv’s fault, as it was that afternoon monday toronto game (HUH why was THAT blacked out?!?!?)
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oh well. looks like i have a decision to make. soon.
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mike

dan- nice tip on logging on directly from mlbtv.com. but terrible timing, as soon as i got it working, i had time to witness (whoever) hit a double that got stopped by an amazing play by whoever is TX 3B, and then tagged bag to kill 2B runner.
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terrible play by play i know, but i have just started watching after 2 hours of irritation.
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lol
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mike

hey is the guy sitting next to DD mikey from american chopper?

Need to get a couple of runs. Rapada nd Lopez looked good-I suspect Lopez will get to pitch the 7th too.
Renteria is hitting bullets all over the field. His last 2 ABs he has hit to 2nd and short but both were smoked.
He’s locked in

And last night Rod said the Tigers would put up a 20 spot before the season’s end……

all i have to say about this 6th inning is ……
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WOW…
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thats what i’m talking about.
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GO TIGERS!!!!

the 6th inning, started with the wife still cooking dinner, us eating dinner, me spitting food out on several plays with a “HELL YEAH” outburst. prompting the wife to say ‘you can’t watch baseball anymore at dinner.” (i of course laughed at her, yeah right)
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and the inning ended after dinner was done and eaten, dishes taken care of, and still had time to watch the last two outs!
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again, WOW!!! go tigers!!!

Even I’m starting to feel bad for Ron Washington!

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