Granderson goes 1-for-5, headed to WM

It’s not his hand that’s the big issue anymore, he said, but getting his legs under him. They were sore again today by the late innings of a long game, and he was moving around in the outfield just to keep loose.

Granderson is heading to West Michigan tomorrow for another game with the Whitecaps (the Mud Hens are off Monday), and he said today that he expects to be back in Toledo for Tuesday night. The earliest he’ll probably be ready for a call-up is Wednesday. It might work out well for him to be ready Wednesday, since the Hens have a 10:30 a.m. game that day.

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From Danny Knobler:
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“It’s bad enough that Nate Robertson is winless in four starts, with a 7.48 ERA. But did you know that of the 18 runs Robertson has allowed, 13 of them have come in the half inning immediately after the Tigers scored? Or how about this one: The Tigers have given Robertson a lead three times this season. Each time, he has given the lead back before the Tigers batted again, giving up 10 runs combined in those three innings.”
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Draw your own conclusions.
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–Rich

Too bad that Granderson won’t be back until maybe Wednesday. I was really hoping to see him in there a little sooner. But I will be at the game on Thursday and looking forward to seeing him back in the lineup.
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Rich- it is interesting stat on Nate up there. I knew it felt like he had a lot of one inning blowups, but I didn’t know that they came after the Tigers gave him a lead. In the past Nate has suffered from a severe lack of run support by his teammates. I would say other than Gallaraga they all have this year. But this year Nate just doesn’t seem to have that bulldog mentality that he used to display. No fight left in him. It is weird to me that all of our players that performed the best in spring training are really disappointing right now. (ie Pudge, Polanco and Robertson) Then the guys who started slow in training are picking it up Renteria, Cabrera, and Guillen.??? What does that mean. There was a complete lack of run support yesterday. They cannot hit with guys on base. Just look at the number of walks and hits, they are not that bad, but look at where we are ranked with RBI’s and Runs near the bottom. They just shows that these guys are not hitting well with runners in scoring position.
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And in saying that the starting pitching has just been aweful with a couple of exception. The pen has not been that bad. Lopez, Jones, Bautista, Grilli, Rapada, and Seay. (And yes I do mean Grilli, his last 4 or 5 outings have been rather good)
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I keep hoping for better and it is just not really coming. One day we get decent (not great) pitching and there is no hitting. The next we get decent hitting (not great) and there is no pitching. Will they ever get it together???? Feeling less and less confident as time goes on.

i’m not that surprised by robertsons numbers rich. he’s always been the ‘no run support’ pitcher. as if whenever he takes to the hill, the batters have a conspiracy to not hit.
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i have never really liked robertson. i was hoping(wishing) that last year he’d have gone and maroth had stayed. maybe he needs to chew more gum?
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i myself and impressed with the bullpen, not grilli though, he needs to go. not big on minor either, it takes more than one game of decent pitching to turn my tide.
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polanco, sheff, guillen, cabrera, all have minor injuries, maybe not cabrera anymore. but certainly at the start of the season. like rich, i suspect there’s something more serious going on with polanco. (good thing he’s not getting on base having to run and slide……) it would sure be nice to find out thats it’s a pinched nerve, but i think its more than that.
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sheffield, i think he’s done. like i said yesterday, never cared for the trade to acquire him in the first place. yankees don’t really give up their ‘star’ players for a couple minor leaguers. they knew he wasn’t ever going to be the same, and got a good deal. then the tigers turned and gave him a huge contract, which drives me insane whenever i think about it.
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it’s gonna be real nice to have granderson back, but its going to put JL and DD in a tough spot. who stays, who goes, JJ should go. like sheff, they can’t wait around til july in hopes he’ll repeat last years 2nd half success. let him find a team in need of whatever he can offer. NL might be his permanent new home.
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IMO clete needs to stay…. clete and thames can platoon left. he’s gonna make some rookie mistakes, but what rookie doesn’t.
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pudge needs to hit 9th no matter who’s pitching, his swing is a disaster, his hitting is worse. i was the guy who thought all spring that he was gonna have a monster season, since its his contract year. he’s something like 3-11 in throwouts, under 33%…. his average is terrible, his swing looks about as good as a drunk monkey’s swing.. idk what his problem is.
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maggs is about to make me beat my dog. “and thats all i got to say about that”
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renteria, guillen, inge, cabrera are the only ones that are producing anything…..
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blah! rant rant rant.
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i hate mondays.
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mike

JL has his work cut out for him. The problem seems to start, well, at the start. The start of the lineup and the starters in the pitching staff.
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The lack of confidence in the starting pitching may have something to do with the lack of dynamics in the lineup. We have played without the leadoff man and virtually played without the #2, #3 and to a lesser degree the #4 hitters all year. Sheffield and Polanco have not porduced and Ordonez’ contributions have been marginal. Ordonez is still undisciplined at the plate.
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It drives me crazy to watch the pitching. Bonderman looks like he wants to avoid throwing the next pitch. Robertson looks like he is going through the motions and Verlander is not thinking hard enough about pitch selection. He might benefit from slowing down a bit until he finds his groove. The 5 MPH he has lost of his fastball has really hurt him too.
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Rogers is the only guy out there showing much emotion on the hill. The Jury is out on Willis but I can’t see how he can ever throw strikes consistently when he can’t even see his target while delivering the ball.
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Leyland should give some thought to shaking up the lineup. With Polanco out I would bat Renteria there behind Curtis. I’d like to think that moving Cabrera up to the #3 hole would sit well with him and toughen up the lineup. I have never liked Ordonez as our cleanup hitter but there is no way in he!! that JL will tamper with that part of the order.
JL would argue that he like Renteria behind Guillen but the truth is that Carlos would hit like he does even if he had Ray Oyler hitting behind him. Come to think of it Pudge is hitting a bit like Ray did.
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Granderson
Renteria
Cabrera
Ordonez
Guillen
Thames
Raburn
Thomas/Santiago
Pudge

And Inge in a pinch, anywhere.

thomas and santiago? u mean thomas/thames?

I think he means Raburn playing both left and second, alternately. Thames at firstbase, Guillen DHing. Right, Dan?
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Heck, we may do better without some of those big guns in there. Maybe guys will work harder at the plate, not expecting the guy behind him to hit a 12-run homer. Both Granderson and Santiago can get you some baserunning, and Ramon is a better hitter than he’s given credit for.
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I’m not going to take the time to dig deeply into stats, but just mention this off the top of my head. Robertson’s best starts seem to be those 1-0 losses. Does he do better when he knows he has to?
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–Rich

This lineup works for me. Renteria should be up there where he can do some things until Polanco is healthy. Thames should be in there everyday at this point. Perhaps he can get 3 runs with one swing, just as the pitcher relaxes after getting through the “tough” part of the order.
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–Rich

In my opinion Bondo is not pitching all that badly. He has the lowest era on the team and has the benefit of a lot of mistakes behind him. I am not sure how many but quite a few unearned runs. I don’t think the should be put in the same catagory as Verlander and Nate, who have both been incredibly disappointing to down right untolerable.
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Interesting to see that we have the same lineup in today that we did yesterday, that didn’t work at all. I don’t mean to imply that I know the answer but come on. Yesterday was down right pathetic lack luster and lacking in any energy. That is what bugs me. If they play hard and they lose well so be it. But I just don’t get the impression that everyone is playing whole heartedly. Kinda reminds me of the Pistons yesterday. Just thinking that they are going to roll over everyone and they cannot even beat the weakest of teams. Both teams embarressed themselves yesterday.
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Hoping for better today. Anyone heard anything about Polanco???
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Yes, that’s pretty much my idea. Thames everyday at first or in left. Raburn in the OF or sharing some time at 2nd.
Santiago can bunt—-we could use a little of that around here.
Another bone to pick is not running. The other day Pudge was at first in the the 9th with a runner on 3rd and Raburn was up. BJ was pitching and was paying no attention to Pudge at first. They were giving Pudge 2nd on a platter and one pitch even got away from Barajas but still no go. Raburn struck out eventually but sending Pudge (who can run) would have taken away the force out AND put the go ahead run in scoring position. It may have drawn a throw from Barajas–who knows what may have devleoped. The point is nothing was going on and I had the feeling that Leyland has fallen into the same mindset as the hitters. Waiting for someone to hit the ball..
The team, as you perfectly described, is “scuffling”–why not MAKE something happen. I was really perplexed and it seems to me that JL is asleep at the wheel at times.

That’s a perfect example of Jl being a stubborn old coot. Pudge up there in the 2 hole is gonna be very frustrating against Marcum who will chew him up and spit him out. But JL will turn a blind eye and watch him struggle until he can face a southpaw when he will elevate him in the lineup to leadoff. He doesn’t get it does he?
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It may seem reactionary to be so pessimistic early in the season and after a couple of losses–but I don’t see the upside on this club (I say club because they are not really a “team”). Yes they can bust out but there is no spark, no consistency and no leadership.

Dan, you just described what has changed my mindset in the past two days. This outfit will go on a little roll at some point, simply because all teams do, and we will start jumping around. I’m not seeing the things necessary, however, to reach the post season. This is the kind of thing that causes me to predict JL resigning. He can’t push the right buttons to get them going and he’ll take that hard.
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Now, we’ve got the same lineup as yesterday? Is there any reason to think anything will be different?
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–Rich

That is an iteresting comment. I can’t see JL resigning but on second thought if he perceived that he was ineffective with this bunch he has the character to do that. He is not a Sheffield type. He won’t stay if he feels he is not helping.
I hope that doesn’t happen but if it did I think we would need an Ozzie Guillen or Billy Martin type at this stage.
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The darn game is blacked for me today. I guess they are concerned that us folks out west a couple of thousand miles away from Toronto might impact attendance?
MLB in it’s wisdom and ignorance of geography.
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I was looking forward to seeing Galarraga.
Will have to listen to Dan Dickerson and Jim (say it twice) Price.
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We need a sea-change today.

well i’m impressed already…. pudge hit the ball, and mags didn’t swing at the very first pitch.
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well i’m impressed already…. pudge hit the ball, and mags didn’t swing at the very first pitch.
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he waited until the 2nd pitch to swing.

This one feels like a loss already.
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Good news on Polanco. Those of us who suffer from chronic back pain know that there are good days and bad days.
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The only bright spot here is that, if we actually were to make a run at the postseason, it would be late in the season and pretty darned exciting.
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–Rich

Well whatever we said about Pudge worked eh!!?
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Funny how it works but Guillen who was an offensive bright spot now seems to be struggling. I would dearly love to see our guys play some long ball. We need that as part of our game.

Jones hit the ball so poorly that Eckstein couldn’t field it. Two bad plays by Rios. A little luck and a nice little rally.
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It will be interesting to see how the Toronto hitters react to Galarragos the SECOND time through the lineup.
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–Rich

now i’m really impressed. they managed to capitalize on walks and errors, and they managed to bring runners home when they were in scoring position.
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hope that trend continues.

dan-

maybe pudge saw my ‘drunk monkey swing’ comment

Coulda’ been it! He sure sulked after that K and I was not impressed watching him walk to the dugout scowling with the ball getting away from Zahn. That’s part of the missing “team” comment I made. Individuals do that and team guys don’t. I’m not implying that Pudge is a team guy usually but that is the kind of negativity that the club has been showing lately.
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Rich- Galarraga is having trouble the 2nd time through. Let’s hope he figures a way to get through it.

I think I am impressed.

Dan, and anyone who can’t see the game today, Cabrera (Cabby as they’re calling him) clapped his hands toward the dugout after drawing a walk, pumps his fist at first on putouts, and seems into it. Nothing wrong with some rah-rah with all these other ol’ vets.
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The Jays hitters have been very patient. Galarraga isn’t missing by much. Good slider.
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–Rich

Interesting to read JL’s comments in the Detroit papers online. He also mentions something about this not being a “team” or suggesting they are not playing like one.
He also said something else we have talked about. Killer instinct. That same problem is showing itself again today. After taking advantage and getting ahead 4-0 the coup de grace could not and is not being administered. Again, lack of long ball or the big hit up the gap with runners on.
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This looks like it will be Galarraga’s last inning. He is missing the plate and has been pretty lucky in getting away with 2 bases loaded jams.
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I don’t think Jones is gonna work out for us. The problem with playing him is two-fold. One, he is not hitting and two, it takes playing time away from Marcus Thames. For as much as JL professes to like Marcus it always seems as though a new guy comes in and gets the job. I know all about Jones streaky streaks but when you are “scuffling” (I love that word Rich) you can’t afford to witness the distress for too long.
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Marcus does deserve to play more and we know he will go through challenges too, but we will never know how productive this guy could be given the chance.
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Well Galarraga came through with another nice recovery in the 5th. Guess he might find his way to 6 or 7 today.
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Tigers are going to have to call someone up besides Granderson unless Sheff or Polanco returns forthwith.
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With the lack of a long ball my vote is for Larish.

seems like whoever is sitting in the 3hole forgets how to hit. guillen- nice pop to 1B foul territory. clete gets a hit, pudge knocks him to 3rd, guillen pops out.
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at least renteria got the longball you’ve been waiting for dan.
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still though… runners on 3B need to find there way home.
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mike

Guillen does not seem to like the DH role if you can judge by his plate appearances. I think making the 2 moves at once was not ideal. If they (and I think he should until he can run again) are going to DH him then leave him bat 5th behind Ordonez and move Cab up to the 3 hole. Carlos is comfortable there and Cab might get a little stoked being moved up in the order. Shake it up Leyland!!

I was about to say the same thing about Carlos. DH isn’t for everyone.
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Another sharp performance by Lopez.
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–Rich

That’s great but we really need or 3-4-5 hitters providing the long ball and the battered fences. Every little bit helps but c’mon Ordonez, Guillen and Cab

Dan, I agree with your comment on J. Jones. I also don’t care if this guy is a streaky hitter or not, he stinks. Period!
Get rid of him once Grandy gets back. Then you can play a Raburn/Thomas/Thames combo in LF and see how works out for the best. In fact, a week ago I was saying that we will probably send Clete down, but he is still hitting and I don’t see how we can do that….then again, JL does like to do that anyway instead of riding the hot hand for as long as it lasts…..who knows…..

looks like the wild bautista showed up today.
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he’ll be lucky to get out of this inning without letting toronto score. ball is up.. (at least it looks like it from the gameday pitchby pitch. he’s gonna get burned

So, a .500 road trip. I guess that’s the standard goal. Still crawling, waiting to get up and walk.
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Some funny sights today. After the Renteria homer, Cabrera lifted his helmet off his head and put it on his own head. Must have thought there were homers in there. Then after Pudge got his fourth(!) hit, Ordonez singled and tried to emulate that look to the sky and cross yourself thing that Pudge does, so Pudge from secondbase was giving him pointers on how to do it right. I will say that Cabby is going to hurt someone with that jump and bump thing they do after a win. :-)
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I was waiting for the wild Bautista and he showed up today. Couldn’t control the heater but he threw some good breaking balls instead and it worked out.
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As the walking wounded return, decisions will have to be made. If you keep Clete Thomas, you have to play him. If you can’t do that, he needs to go back down for PT. Jacque has his head on the chopping block at this point, as I don’t think we can wait much longer for him to break out of this massive slump, and he shows absolutely no signs of doing that. I want to keep Raburn for sure.
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How about some props for Edgar Renteria? He’s tearin’ it up.
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Now let’s win some more games, I hate being gloomy. Just doesn’t fit me.
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–Rich

So my question is, what is JL going to do with Galarraga after Willis returns? It sounds as though he’ll definitely get one more start in Detroit, maybe two. If he continues as he has been like in the past 2 games, it would be really hard to send him down. But again, JL (and I don’t question him much) doesn’t seem to go with the hot hand very much, so it’ll be interesting to see what happens. I would at least like him to stay in the BP. Then again, it is almost a given that another starter will go down this year, so I suppose send him back to Toledo and continue to start until we need him again…

Well I have a hard time saying that any of the pitcher really pitched well, especially Gallaraga, Bautista and Jones. It is interesting one second before Jones gave up that HR ball, I was thinking that Jones doesn’t really give up the long ball??? But anyway for some reason we were able to get a little lucky and pitch out of our jams. I third that Guillen doesn’t seem to like the DH role, my guess is since they will be off the turf you will see Guillen back in at 1st. Guillen has killed my fantasy team the last two days. Oh well I would rather have the worst fantasy team and a Tigers win.
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Gotta go good win TIGERS.

yeah rich, at least someone is picking up where they left off last year. guess that squashes all the ‘well he sucked at boston he’s only a national league’ conversation.
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best hitter on the team is stuck in the 7 hole….. cabrera needs to be moved 3. sheff needs to be moved to his couch.
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mike

By the way did anyone think that strike zone was weird today? I don’t think it favored any team I thought it was equally inconsistent all the way around.

Well 2 out of 4 is better than 1 out 4.
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I think Jones is on borrowed time. I was never very happy with his acquisition as it was a stop-gap measure that was detrimental to Thames. If they were gonna go out and get a LHB for the OF then it needed to be a guy like Markakis or maybe even Ibanez.
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Anyway we did discover Clete Thomas who looks like, with a little work, could be very helpful.
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My ideal lineup (with no Polanco or Sheffield):
Granderson (so nice to be able to say that)
Renteria
Ordonez
Cabrera
Guillen
Thames
Thomas/Raburn
Inge/Santiago
Pudge

If Polanco returns then Renteria to #7
Tigers have a lot of flexibility on defense with Raburn, Inge and Thames.
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Big win but the problems to be fixed are still there.

I’ll repeat what I said before. Put Polanco and Sheffield on the DL to give them time to heal. That way when Granderson and Willis come back, they can still keep Thomas, Raburn, and Galarraga. Those three still act like they want to play. It’s a real shame that J Jones hasn’t done any better. They really needed another LH bat in the line-up. Maybe Thomas and Santiago can help that aspect and Granderson when he gets back.

I did not get online for the beginning of the game and missed other parts. Was something said about Polanco’s injury that might change what I advocated above about the DL?

just some dribble about ‘there’s no major structural damage’ …..

Armando is my new Tiger.

The “dribble” means there’s no herniated disk and such. He’s listed on the ever popular “day to day” list.
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Galarraga was one of the best pitchers in spring training, the best pitcher in Toledo, and now the best pitcher in Detroit. Unless there’s a huge improvement in Willis, who looks like he couldn’t hit the ocean if he threw from the shoreline, how do they send Armando back down?
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Dan, was Markakis or Ibanez available? I don’t even remember now how we got JJones. Always a big deal about getting a LH bat, then we threw away the one (Casey) that we had. Meanwhile, we had success in ’06 with Granderson and Guillen. All the rest of the LH hitters have been failures. Meanwhile, those 30 homers continues to sit on the bench with Thames. It beats me.
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–Rich

Hey guys,

I couldn’t agree more with the quotes about J Jones– I think he has to go when Curtis returns. The only previous concern I would have had cutting him was tied to his left handed bat but Clete and Curtis make that argument moot and I completely agree that you can’t keep Thames benched. If Sheffield goes on the DL– it seems like a certainty to me– they could rest Ordonez by DHing him and playing Clete in Right with Thames in left. That lineup gives them more speed and balances out the righty-lefty issue. Raburn plays a servicable second base until Polanco can return to form. As far as Gallaraga is concerned, I think you have to keep him in the rotation and– here I go again– one option is to put Nate in the bullpen when Willis returns. I know most have concerns about Willis but I just think the guy is too talented to not turn it around. (I’m crossing my fingers in hopes that I’m right.) I’m glad to see that he’s willing to pitch down in the minors– hopefully that helps straighten him out a bit. He seems like a coachable player– I’ve got to think this is a mechanical issue that can be resolved. If they do go with my suggestion of putting Robertson in the ‘pen, they could send down Rapada or Miner– both have options. Miner hasn’t impressed me at all this year and perhaps needs to be stretched out as a starter.

I know that its unlikely that they’ll put Robertson in the ‘pen– I just think its crazy and I’m gonna keep posting it until he proves that he can make it through a lineup three times without getting blasted. He seems like a great bullpen pitcher– kinda like Derek Lowe was for Boston for a few years. In previous seasons, I’d say that Robertson couldn’t afford such a move but now that he’s signed a big contract, he shouldn’t care where he is pitching… Alright, I’ll get off my soapbox. That’s all.

I haven’t watched as many games as most on here but I do feel that once we get Granderson back and get a few others healthy, we’re going to see our Tigers catch lightning in a bottle. I think Curtis is the key to the lineup and many other problems will fall in line once he’s at the top sparking everyone. I may be crazy and it may take until May, but I expect to see the Tigers reel off a 20-5 streak some time before the All Star break…

One more thing– Nick Markakis wasn’t available… ever. The Orioles would have required Curtis Maybin in any such deal for Markakis and even then, I’d say the Orioles might not have traded him– he’s a young stud and Baltimore loves him.

I guess I should clarify my posts better. I’m not saying the Tigers could have gotten Markakis only that they need someone of that calibre if they were going to go after a LHB corner outfielder.
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Going after a Jacque Jones was a stop gap measure with the hopes that it would end up being a pleasant surprise.
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There was no point in mucking up LF with a hope and dream. If they were to have gone out and found someone who unequivacally made the team better then go for it.
JJ is no different than using Timo Perez.

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