Miner on bereavement list

He has left the team for now to deal with an unspecified family emergency. No idea yet how long he’ll be away, but MLB rules state a player must be on the bereavement list for no less than three days but no more than seven days. Jose Capellan has been recalled from Triple-A Toledo.

Also, Gary Sheffield is back in the lineup at DH after taking a cortisone shot in his aching right shoulder two days ago. It’s actually his second cortisone shot there this summer, he said Friday, but he expects he should be good to go the rest of the year after this one.

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Ok, why is it that I have this sinking feeling we should have kept Maroth and gotten rid of Roberston? Now Capellan is back. Again, why did we trade Cody for him? No one answered me on this question before. I was just out of town for a few days and didn’t realize what had happened. Now I REALLY wonder.I’m hoping that Minor’s bereavment has to do with his parents, and not his last outing. My sympathy goes out to him and his family.*****, DD. We are so close and yet so far away. Four days to the trading deadline. Are there any pitchers out there than can help? Starters? Relievers? What happened to our “pitching rich” farm system? I wear my hat and jersey, but at my age, I am not sure I can do much more than what you are sending out there tonight. At 60, I guess that is understandable. On the other hand, I would cost a lot less, and that might open your coffers enough you could find SOMEONE out there who can fill one of the jobs available!

IN this game, my point is proven from the prior comment section. Angels stack the lineup with righty’s and we basically have all righty’s against Weaver. Robertson had 54 pitches in two inning. The starting pitching is just not there right now. Too many lefty’s in the starting rotation. Too little clutch hitting. Too little lead over Cleveland.

Just turned the game on (gameday audio) and saw the bad news. Been listening to the Angel announcers the last inning and what a treat to hear some professionalim (as opposed to those 2 buffoons in Chicago.
The angel announcer said that Monroe was robbed of a grand slam in the first. Too bad that might have changed the game for us.

Starters let us down again tonight but it did at least look like Nate got things straightened out a bit.

Durbin in now and just gave up 2 doubles and another run. Gettin’ pretty used to this aren’t we/

There was a time last year in the late innings when we would say “o-K, we GET to go to our bullpen now!; this year it’s more like “O-k, we’ve GOT to use our bullpen now”

I hope everything is going to be OK with Zack Miner.

OOPS- another double and the game is basically over as I don’t think these guys have the spirit to come back from 5 down in the 8th like the WhiteSox did.

Nate settled down and the Tigers fought back into it but too little too late. Sometimes the fate of a game turns on one single play. Craig came within inches of a grand slam in the first which would have made it 6-0 and who knows, maybe more. That catch by Matthews turned the game around. Placido had a great game but Shef was looking at strikes and swinging at balls.This Angel team has a ton of speed so you just got to keep them off the bases. Tigers are due to turn it back around.

More importantly, I hope Zach’s family is OK.

Bereavement leave. What next for these fellas? What a season.

You’re right, Marty, the Matthews catch was the turning point. One half inning played, Tigers lead 2-0, and I’d already chalked it up as a loss. You watch enough baseball, you just know. I think there’s only been one game in which the outcome surprised me, and that was in Cleveland on June 1st. All the rest, it’s fairly predictable by the fifth inning. And that includes Tuesday night and Thursday afternoon this week.

That umpire tonight had the lowest strikezone I’ve ever seen but it was consistent. First Weaver caught on, then Nate.

Most times, I’d hate to waste 15 hits but this team does that on a regular basis, so that’s not a concern.

You all remember back in April after that strange rain out (sun out?) in Chicago, we all agreed that this would be a tough stretch. We’re smack in the middle of it now, and it has been tough. I think Nate would have gone six even if he’d given up ten runs, as I don’t think Capellan was even in the ballpark yet. If we’re losing more on the road, the flip side is we may start winning more at home, and we’ve got a nice homestand coming up next Friday.

I’d still like to know how we got four trips to the west coast and the rest of the divison got three. Like I said the other day, the Tigers win this thing, they’ve earned it.

I expect we will see Mike Hessman again today at 1B. Not so sure about Raburn though. Unless JL feels that Saunders is going to be too tough on Curtis I would think Raburn is backup today. Monroe getting the ball to the outfield 3 times last night and his (believe it or not) >.300 average against lefties this year, gets him the start in left.
Unless Sheffield is hurting too much then he is at DH again, he is mired in a 1×17 slump over his last 5 games though.

Marty, I completely understand where you are coming from re loyalty to your players. But there is also a loyalty to the fans that should always be considered as well. If you have a team that is on the precipice of winning but is missing an ingredient or two, then do you not have some obligation to see if you can fill the hole?

This is not like a family run business in small town America where loyalty really does mean a great deal. These are major league ballplayers making about $10,000 a day to ply their trade.

Part of that kind of obscene salary presupposes trades and compensates traded players for the inconvenience of playing this most beautiful game of baseball.

But, the business of baseball is entertainment and to entertain Tiger fans and keep them interested, they need to trot out a winning ballclub. We have had key “Tigers”, acquired in trades, that have pushed this ballclub to a level of superiority. Further trades will establish new treasured and well-loved Tigers with the fan-base at the same time as they help the team reach the pinnacle that everybody wants to see happen.

I would hate to see any of these guys go but it is the nature of the beast and I have come the the conclusion that Dombrowski is quality GM, personally and professionally, and if unloads one or two of our guys, he is doing it for the best interests of the team and its quest for “The Ring”.

p.s. (Just don’t let it be Granderson, Polanco, Verlander, Zumaya, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., I expect we will see Mike Hessman again today at 1B. Not so sure about Raburn though. Unless JL feels that Saunders is going to be too tough on Curtis I would think Raburn is backup today. Monroe getting the ball to the outfield 3 times last night and his (believe it or not) >.300 average against lefties this year, gets him the start in left.

Unless Sheffield is hurting too much then he is at DH again, he is mired in a 1×17 slump over his last 5 games though.

Marty, I completely understand where you are coming from re loyalty to your players. But there is also a loyalty to the fans that should always be considered as well. If you have a team that is on the precipice of winning but is missing an ingredient or two, then do you not have some obligation to see if you can fill the hole?

This is not like a family run business in small town America where loyalty really does mean a great deal. These are major league ballplayers making about $10,000 a day to ply their trade.

Part of that kind of obscene salary presupposes trades and compensates traded players for the inconvenience of playing this most beautiful game of baseball.

But, the business of baseball is entertainment and to entertain Tiger fans and keep them interested, they need to trot out a winning ballclub. We have had key “Tigers”, acquired in trades, that have pushed this ballclub to a level of superiority. Further trades will establish new treasured and well-loved Tigers with the fan-base at the same time as they help the team reach the pinnacle that everybody wants to see happen.

I would hate to see any of these guys go but it is the nature of the beast and I have come the the conclusion that Dombrowski is quality GM, personally and professionally, and if unloads one or two of our guys, he is doing it for the best interests of the team and its quest for “The Ring”.

p.s. (Just don’t let it be Granderson, Polanco, Verlander, Zumaya, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., !!)

I know you meant what you said, Dan, because you said it twice. :-)

I assume DD is doing his darndest to acquire some help, which may or may not happen. At any rate, the guys on the team now just have to turn this around. The pitching has been terrible lately, and that’s got to stop, simple as that. Trade or no trade, that’s the fact.

This season, basically, has come down to a pair of 8-game win streaks along with a 5-game streak, with a 4-game loss skid and one 3-game slide. The rest is pretty much .500. Another win streak would work wonders. And I’m still waiting for breaks to start falling the Tigers’ way. They’ve mostly outmuscled the opposition for the wins. Done it on talent alone.

Today is my day to listen to the game on the radio. We’re not on Fox here, so that eliminates all sources except MLB radio. All is not lost, however, because I’m getting my Detroit fix by seeing the Tempations and Four Tops tonight. I think 38 years is long enough since the last time I saw them.

I hope that Ernie Harwell and other stadium supporters can delay selling off Tiger Stadium. http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070727&content_id=2113961&vkey=news_det&fext=.jsp&c_id=det
I would like to propose bringing a minor league team of some level to play in Tiger Stadium. The prices would be drastically less (at least one would hope) than Comerica’s prices, which could be a recipe for success in Detroit’s current economy.

I believe that many people would bring their children to one of these minor league games just to show the next generation where they used to watch baseball.

Others have proposed building a museum but what better museum than a living one, where others could experience just a taste of what things were like once upon a time, to experience some Detroit history? I know that I would get a lot out of having an option like that.

Baseball is resurrected in Detroit, according to this blog, the crowds at the park, and ESPN and Fox have inducted us into the baseball elite as far as fan support. It would be an interesting experiment to find out if Detroiters would value another baseball avenue at Michigan & Trumbull, especially considering that just a few years ago they couldn’t even fill half the seats at Comerica. I don’t have the money to find out, but if the numbers could be worked out, it would be a great way to hold onto one of this city’s biggest landmarks

Some improvement needed.

I know we all are aware of the whining about this topic but the Tigers HAVE to do better getting the runner home with less than 2 out.

We are homers and it may only seem like they are worse than other teams at getting the job done. They are certainly worse than their opposition in the games they are playing against each other.

They need to become a team that is (re)known for getting the run in under those circumstance.

Popups and strikeouts in these situations are killers, critical and almost unforgivable.

Monroe just failed to bring in a very big run in the 2 run 6th. Then Inge comes up and strikes out. The Monroe/Inge combination has been disappointing this year to say the least.

Miller did a good job but the last pitch he threw to lead-off man in the 6th was a clear indication that he needed to be pulled. JL did the right thing. Regardless of which Jason Grilli appears today.

Like I said—“Now we’ve GOT to go to our bullpen”.

Bring back the days where we rejoiced and exhuberantly expressed–“Now we GET to go to our bullpen!”

I hate this. I am just so disgusted that nothing consequential is being done about this horrid bullpen. It is bordering on being a disgrace.

Sayonara,

I am taking a break from all this. The probles are so evident and the solutions are so inept, that I need to divorce myself from the everyday going son of the club.

It’s not fair to the players or the fans to stand idly by and witness the demolition of the best team in baseball.

Change the bullpen or change your attendance figures.

I am completely and utterly disgusted. They really really stink right now and there doesn’t seem to be any ending in sight. The starting pitchers are not going deep enough, so the bullpen is overused and frankly we have to get 12-15 runs to be safe. This isn’t even fun anymore.

Frankly it is down right emberessing. Teams know that they just have to foul off a ton of pitches from our starting pitcher, get into the bullpen and they will be okay, they can probably come back.

Brutal just plain brutal

GK–there is no excuse for this bullpen. Bonderman, Verlander and Miller have done reasonably well. Rogers and Robertson are stuggling but even so, the starters on this club are head and shoulders above the bullpen.
Essentially, using the bullpen is and act of surrender and submission.

Good luck for that to eventuate into a post-season scenario.

If the club tries to spin this situation at deadline time then they deserve to lose. The fans don’t, but if they do nothing about this right now we may as well change our name to another African entity: the Detroit Ostriches— because we no longer deserve the honored and respected name of “Tigers”.

All this and we’re STILL in first place??? This is turning into a walking race.

I only just got the result when I returned home. Sounds ugly.

I think Monroe may be done for the year. Having his historic good second half and being Mr. Clutch doesn’t just happen by itself. Hessman really shouldn’t be playing this much and I don’t like sitting Granderson, no matter who’s pitching.

The bullpen will have to turn itself around, because even a trade isn’t going to solve all of this. One can hardly blame Leyland. Each reliever looks great then next time out stinks up the place. Where does all that inconsistency come from?

It’s true the starters need to go deeper than five innings, but we are using a second year professional every five days, albeit one with promise. And even on those rare occasions when the starter is in good shape, pitch count wise, in the eighth, JL still pulls him. Why? Because it’s the eighth and that’s “just how you do it?” It’s almost August. These guys aren’t stretched out enough to go deep now? What would have been wrong with leaving Verlander out there longer on Thursday?

Has the game changed so much that we can’t pull a page from the past and try something out of the norm? Like how about putting Robertson in the pen to work on his game and bring up one of these whiz kids from the minors to make some starts? How can this be happening to a “pitching rich” organization? They look like they’re pitching Rich.

—-Rich

Okay, I just watched a little bit of video archive from this game.

Monroe didn’t know what the count was during his eighth inning AB? He thought he’d drawn a walk on a 2-2 pitch? Shades of Alex Sanchez. Monroe is done.

The bottom of the inning featured more of those little dinky garbage hits that have plagued the Tigers all year. Vlad started it with one, and another one led to that play at the plate. Rabelo should have put his shoulder down and flipped that runner right over.

But it’s the Anderson “homer.” It was clearly interfered with, the umpires blew yet another call, and the Tigers were hosed yet again. I don’t buy into this “it wouldn’t have mattered” thing. Every play has a direct impact on the game. One run in, and the Tigers get out of the inning is a big difference from 6-3. I’m getting close to using the term snakebit when it comes to this year’s team.

All this and we’re STILL in first place?

Just thought I’d share some of my thoughts on the Tigers right now.
I really don’t think our bullpen is the only problem. Consider this: Combine the last 10 starts of Nate Robertson and Andrew Miller, plus the 6 starts of Kenny Rogers since he came back, and you get just TWO starts in which the starter lasted through 7 full innings.

That’s 60 percent of our rotation that’s having trouble getting past the 5th and 6th inning. How is that putting our bullpen into a good position? You’re more than likely depending on multiple pitchers to bring enough game to the mound to keep the opposing team off the basepaths. You’re not going to get consistent results that way.

I’m not saying we can’t blame the bullpen. We have guys in there that need to pitch better, true. But they’re not exactly getting good benefits either. We need more out of our starting lefties. I’ve seen too many 0-2 or 1-2 counts turn into full counts or even walks.

Thanks for that observation Maraxuska. I completely agree with you, that has been the real root of the problem. Add to it the fact that, although this is a high powered offense, the best in the league, when they really REALLY need that insurance run or tying run or momentum changing run, we see strikeouts and pop ups and stranded runners. The defense has committed the 3rd most errors in the American League. Only the Devil Rays and the Rangers have committed more, and we know where they are in the standings. All this contributes to a pen that has been stretched thin already. I think too much has been asked of them. Zumaya is talking like he wants to come back in 3 weeks. Cleveland doesn’t act like they want it either. The TEAM has to ALL start playing better, more consistent baseball. Let’s not dump the entire blame on the bullpen and think getting one pitcher from somewhere is going to turn this thing around.

Good points. The entire team is in a funk, for sure.

Maraxuska, Your last sentence said a lot. I’ve seen that too, and commented on it a few weeks ago, regarding Nate. Now it’s spreading. You get a guy 0-2 or 1-2, where’s the put-away pitch? Either these guys don’t have good control, or they don’t trust their own stuff and start to nibble. Probably a combination of both. You take it to 3-2 then the hitter is very likely to foul off at least two and you’re already at seven pitches for that AB, and he’s still standing up there. You get 96 pitches in four innings at that rate.

Is Andrew Miller really going to take the ball every fifth day for the next two months? I’m not sure this was a good idea. Trading Maroth, I’m not sure that was a good idea.

To be fair, and as I said last night, we give up a large number of hits where the hitter beats the ball into the ground, having barely made contact. Sometimes our pitcher is almost too effective, strangely enough.

Well, we’ll see how it all plays out. 59 games to go, and I’ll be there for every one of them. Too many cold nights in January where I’d kill to see a good baseball game.

Rlpressley, I also wondered about the Maroth trade. However, since he was traded for a player to be named later, we will just have to wait and see who Dave Dombrowski ultimately chooses. Even then, we won’t be able to evaluate the trade properly for a few years since the player to be named later will be a very young player. I hope the Tigers didn’t let Maroth go too cheaply.

I hope that Dombrowski is able to sign Rick Porcello.

Again good points Rich. Miller can be effective but 5 innings is not enough and becomes a detriment? Again added pressure on the bullpen. Nate fought back and spared the bullpen a couple innings the other night but the damage was unfortunately already done. Rogers has had 3 bad outings in a row. The pen has been forced to mop up a lot of games. But in the event the pen blows a lead in a close low scoring game like with Bonderman or Verlander pitching into the 7th, they catch heck. Until one of the 3 lefties begins throwing quality games, things aren’t going to get better. And with the offense, I don’t care about putting up 11+ runs, just get the important ones in when it matters. And tighten up the defense for goodness sake. Let’s see a 3rd right handed starter in the rotation too. Funk is the right word Rich, primarily in the clutch department. Time for a good ol’ fashioned JL chewin’…Just a fair share of mojo too please.

No question mark after detriment. Sorry.

And Cleveland blew one to the Twins today. They must as frustrated as we are. What a race.

It’s hard to believe the Tigers could continue to play as they have been lately. Let’s get off this idiotic road trip then see what happens.

Strangest part of yesterday’s game was Guillen stealing both second and third…..while three consecutive hitters struck out.

when are the tigers going to realize that Jeremy Bonderman needs to warm up a lot longer than he does or at the least half an hour later than he is. he needs to be throwing in the tunnel when the tigers are batting first. to keep his arm war and loose.

I think they have exhausted all physical explanation and remediation.
This is is “head” problem and until JB starts thaking his therapy seriously he is going to continue to struggle.

What a morbid games so far even though we just scored our first run.

This feels like September 2006.

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